'Men are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies'

Lass Saying men are 100% responsible for pregnancies is completely mesningless in the context of why women should take responsibility for not getting pregnant

I hope you mean not ALL women in this context?

Should a 12 year old take responsibility for not getting pregnant when her male relative is impregnating her against her will?

I agree with the twitter feed on two aspects:

Women can have multiple orgasms without getting pregnant or getting anyone else pregnant.

Pubertal males and beyond have the propensity to engender a 100% capacity for fertility. What really annoys me are men who witter on about over population as if it's females who do this. No mate. Your sperm is the problem. Get yourself sorted if you really, really, really feels about over population.

How is it infantilising women? I'm not saying that women need someone else to take responsibility for their contraception. We don't need to have sex with men in order to have babies - how do lesbian parents do it?

What point are you trying to make? Saying men are 100% responsible for pregnancies is completely mesningless in the context of why women should take responsibility for not getting pregnant.

A man and a woman don't need to copulate in order for the woman to become pregnant, IVF clearly demonstrates that.
the statement Men are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies implies that women are 0% responsible, they are just passive victims. surely the correct statement would be that men and women are jointly and equally responsible for a pregnancy, unwanted or not, if they copulate? If either person does not want a baby, then they abstain.

How is it infantilising women? I'm not saying that women need someone else to take responsibility for their contraception. We don't need to have sex with men in order to have babies - how do lesbian parents do it?

Or maybe it's infantilisation of men not to hold them 'jointly and severally', as it were, 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies? Obviously there's no way to make them bear the physical effects, but do they generally take a fair share of the other consequences- financially, impact on career, childcare? Do they (in the context of Trump's America in particular) care equally about restrictions on availability of contraception and abortions?

Of course men are 100% responsible for pregnancies. All pregnancies, not just unwanted ones. Women don't get pregnant from sex unless it's sex with a man!

Oh fgs - more infantilisation of women.

Batteriesallgone I absolutely agree with this.....

The financial impact then. If we got the child maintenance system properly sorted in this country demand for male contraception would probably shoot up

.....100%

If men were held responsible for the care of any child they made, more men would take responsibility for their fertility.

Erm how many unwanted pregnancies could women create if there were no women? Your logic is illogical.

Erm...how many women would there be if there were no women?

My guess is the poster of that thread intended for it to be controversial to get a discussion going. I think it's important to note the context in which she's writing - Trump's America. Abortion rights under threat, women's access to contraception they're in charge of under threat, apparently many men evading financial responsibility for unwanted pregnancies. Even if both men and women are each 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies (and I think there is some truth that men are always responsible, but women are not always in control of the situation), there is such a massive imbalance in the consequences and so too many men are not behaving responsibly with impunity, simply for their own gratification.

How many unwanted pregnancies could women create if there were no men?
Zero
Therefore men ARE responsible for 100% of unwanted pregnancies.

Erm how many unwanted pregnancies could women create if there were no women? Your logic is illogical.

There was a thread the other day bemoaning the congratulations men get when their partner is pregnant. Lots of indignation over his 3 minutes of fun getting all the credit. Apparently the congrtualators were correct. As passive vessels just waiting to be filled with their holy grain of life thry really do deserve all the credit.

Assuming consensual sex, a woman is capable of using or asking him to use contraception. If neither of them use protection it is both their responsibility and blame if she gets pregnant. If one of them lies to the other so the baby is only unwanted in one side its clearly that person's responsibility only.

Of course men are 100% responsible for pregnancies. All pregnancies, not just unwanted ones. Women don't get pregnant from sex unless it's sex with a man!

But plenty of men feel under pressure to perform when they're not in the mood as well.

Lol. Seriously this is brilliant. Have you got any more like this?

On the actual question, flip it around.

How many unwanted pregnancies could women create if there were no men?

Zero.

Therefore men ARE responsible for 100% of unwanted pregnancies.

The woman is a twit (would have thought the Mormon thing would have given that away). Unless the woman was raped both parties share equal responsibility.

mutually enjoyable sex (which is the only way, surely) can be many things, not just PIV, which is known to be not so enjoyable for women and of course often very dangerous

Since when was piv not enjoyable for women, and why very often dangerous?

I know that some women can't cum from piv, but thats not all/most women. I think for most, if piv isn't enjoyable and is dangerous, then your probably doing it wrong, or with a horse.

I think the thread would make more see if it was framed as men could stop 100% of abortions.

I liked the concept but not really true in real life. Women and men choose to take a gamble with pregnancy. You can insist he wears a condom. If you do find it difficult to ask your partners to wear a condom, then take birth control. We each take responsibility for our own contraception. How many men have ended up with unwanted kids because, she said she was on the pill.

I'm disappointed to hear about the male conteceptive pill though. I was keen to put dh on that, stop him getting a vasectomy.

Agree to 100%both.

The problem is when you put responsibility just on men because like women should just lie back and have it done to them and then talk about castration for unwanted pregnancies or vasectomies at 14 until they want a child it just makes the conversation ridiculous.

Very often women ARE incredibly passive and have sex done to them this is what we really should focus on. Teaching our daughters that it's ok to not have sex, they don't owe men sex, that their pleasure is as important as a man's. Teaching our sons that no woman owes them sex, that having sex doesn't make them a man and that sex given reluctantly or under pressure is not the sex they want.

I agree with STDG. And I must sort out the condom thing if I'm going to start dating again.

Spot on post. STDG

I think that both the man and the woman should assume that they are taking 100% of the responsibility for preventing pregnancy and also sexually transmitted diseases. So women should make sure they are using the pill/coil and/or condoms, and men should use condoms.

Of course, the practicalities do change, if you are in a committed relationship - dh and I don't use condoms because I have a Mirena coil, he's had the snip, and we are both faithful and always have been, so no risk of sexually transmitted diseases. But the basic theory remains the same - we have both taken responsibility for contraception (although my Mirena coil is primarily to treat heavy periods, it is also a contraceptive).

I think it is infantilising nonsense to say men are 100% responsible.

Though there may well have been developments in condoms since I last asked. Perhaps I should get down to Boots (which make terrible condoms, btw).

I'm not latex allergic, so I don't think it's that that eats the condom.

Also I adore PIV sex. Oral sex makes me fall asleep. Fingering is good, but sex without PIV to me is like going to a restaurant, sitting down, nibbling some bread sticks and leaving. I'm multi orgasmic during PIV. That's why my experiments with other women never hit the spot.

prawn I am latex-allergic and use either femidoms or non-latex condoms. These might work better for you. My IUS means I don't really fear pregnancy but you bet your life I'm terrified of STIs.

An irresponsible male ejaculation is both necessary and sufficient to cause an unwanted pregnancy unless the woman has actively taken steps to prevent that, steps that can fail, have negative consequences for her health, and wouldn't be needed if he took responsibility for his own fertility. It's hence reasonable to frame unwanted pregnancies as 100% preventable by men.

Prawn but isn’t a lot of the issue there because sex = PIV? Should we not be having more conversations, particularly with teens, that actually, mutually enjoyable sex (which is the only way, surely) can be many things, not just PIV, which is known to be not so enjoyable for women and of course often very dangerous. There is too much emphasis on PIV.