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Can we talk about why members of the cabinet are too scared to talk about self ID?

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GulagMilkMonitor · 14/09/2018 06:19

This has been playing on mind for a few weeks but I squeezed a baby out of my vagina and forgot the details of who wrote the piece and when. After a bit of a search around I found it.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/27/victoria-atkins-deserves-praise-not-vilification-speaking-transgenderism/

This piece by James Kirkup, which is discussed here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348609-Kirkup-in-Telegraph-on-Victoria-Atkins

Has such an incredibly disturbing quote that every time I think about it, I am almost brought to tears.

“Last month, a Cabinet minister told me: “There are real issues here, and I’d like to speak about them, but frankly I’m scared to.”

A CABINET MINISTER.
Let that sink in.
A cabinet minister is too scared to even discuss this issue.
A cabinet minister is too scared to discuss the safety of women and girls.
TOO SCARED.

Now I’m not suggesting we try to work out who this is because frankly if they don’t feel safe - I get it. However I am angry with them, really bloody angry.
These are some of the most powerful people in the country and this is an incredibly important issue that they are refusing to speak up on.

The idea of self ID keeps me up at night, I am scared to talk about it because I’ll probably lose my job but I’m out there doing it. We are just normal women putting our necks on the line but members of the cabinet are too scared.

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PositivelyPERF · 14/09/2018 08:21

I honestly don’t believe that they’re too scared. I believe that the men, who make up most of the political roles, don’t give a shit, because it doesn’t affect men. The women don’t give a shit, because they’re unlikely to be using public swimming pools, ordinary clothes shops, etc, so it doesn’t affect them to the same extent that it will impact on ordinary women. They get to have ‘woke’ points and seem very progressive, while women’s rights are being roled back.

WarmWishes · 14/09/2018 08:15

If there was never any smoke without fire, the expression 'no smoke without fire' wouldn't have been made up. Many, many times there is smoke because there is fire. Plus, unless you have got your head completely stuck up your arse, it is quite obviously a toxic debate and blatantly one people are not prepared to stick their heads above the parapet for. Therefore, the sentence extracted from the article is VERY likely to be true.

Floisme · 14/09/2018 08:13

I found it really shocking too. If the Cabinet Minister concerned comes across this thread I hope they will think long and hard about why they went into politics in the first place.

scepticalwoman · 14/09/2018 07:57

The comment reveals the scale of bullying and intimidation going on. And when you look at the real harm being done to children, it becomes even more unacceptable that politicians are silent.

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GulagMilkMonitor · 14/09/2018 07:54

This sort of stuff weakens debate. It shouldn't really be singled out as a praiseworthy statement, unless you want to look desperate.

Thanks for that.

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VikingVolva · 14/09/2018 06:28

t's a bit like 'my friend the teacher told me blah blah'

It's never a true representation of what is happening in a school. Be extremely wary of thinking anyone will ever really attach any credence to hearsay.

This sort of stuff weakens debate. It shouldn't really be singled out as a praiseworthy statement, unless you want to look desperate.