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Durham Philosophy Journal editor sacked for saying women don't have penises

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 14/09/2018 00:25

www.palatinate.org.uk/assistant-editor-of-durham-philosophy-journal-fired-for-transphobic-retweet/

Someone please tell me that this isn't true and is some kind of piss take. Or that there is more to the story or something.

The world really has gone mad.

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SunsetBeetch · 19/09/2018 20:46

Here is the statement mentioned above. You can still add your signature to it.

conatusnews.com/thought-crime-uk-solidarity-angelos-sofocleous/

SunsetBeetch · 18/09/2018 07:07

"Putting together a statement in defence of @Sofocleous_A and others targeted for their beliefs on gender identity. Asking for people from organisations, people who know Angelos to sign, other people who have been targeted can get mentioned in the article if you let me know."

twitter.com/Fisher_Download/status/1041777081737248769?s=19

MipMipMip · 15/09/2018 11:07

Really interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

TerfsUp · 15/09/2018 10:11

This is such a great thread. Thank you, dancelikeEmmaGoldman, for the link to the excellent article in The Atlantic, which was thoughtful and thought-provoking.

This is MN at its best.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 15/09/2018 09:50

This is interesting, relevant and dispiriting, all at once.

I paraphrase, but, how student snowflakes are harming themselves.

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/?utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_term=2018-09-14T22%3A34%3A27

BettyDuMonde · 15/09/2018 09:07

Maybe we could rebrand it ‘The Stonewall Misogyny Award - for Institutions that Aren’t Safe for Women’.

aperolspritzplease · 14/09/2018 23:46

It's the begging of the end. I can't extrapolate the words to say what I feel about it.

FermatsTheorem · 14/09/2018 23:03

Maybe alternate red flag stickers and "women don't have penises" stickers.

silentcrow · 14/09/2018 22:58

So the Stonewall award is basically a sign an institution hates women. A red flag, if you will.

I have this sudden urge to go around slapping red flag stickers on anything Stonewall related now.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 14/09/2018 21:23

So the Stonewall award is basically a sign an institution hates women. A red flag, if you will.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/09/2018 21:09

And bravo Angelos Sofocleous - a rational man of principle.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/09/2018 21:07

Here's the full set - I keep the link handy

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6kkeni/theerulesoffmisogyny/

ALittleBitofVitriol · 14/09/2018 21:07

AbsintheFriends

Exactly AAK - surely philosophy IS argument. Testing ideas. Debating them.

Tsk tsk, such a binary view of philosophy. Philosophy is actually a shifting constellation of really reel feelings, word salad and language orchestras. Precise definitions and logic are so terribly archaic.

Needmoresleep · 14/09/2018 20:40

Looks like Bristol will beat Durham to the Stonewall award

thetab.com/uk/bristol/2018/09/13/bristol-university-to-introduce-gender-neutral-bathrooms-in-all-buildings-34168

The cost is apparently more than three times the annual budget for student welfare. The Union is delighted. Individuals students, well aware of welfare issues, are dismayed.

BettyDuMonde · 14/09/2018 20:31

‘2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.’

Ereshkigal · 14/09/2018 20:30

Unsurprisingly the young women said no

Good on them Thanks

WomanInBoots · 14/09/2018 20:29

For fucking fucks sake... the whole fucking POINT of philosophy is to stand outside of society and fucking discuss it and argue about it and propose dissenting views and play devils advocate and not take any prisoners and not give a crap who gets offended... that's the whole fucking POINT!

I wrote an undergraduate essay answering the question "Is suicide morally wrong?" Has that question been taken off the syllabus now as surely the answers to that could cause offence and distress?

Very disappointed in Durham being part of shutting down debate.

BettyDuMonde · 14/09/2018 20:28

I met a Durham graduate while I was out with FPFW.

She said the uni (or student union? Not sure) wanted to be eligible for some kind of Stonewall award, but had been unable to obtain it because gender neutral toilets were required, and the young women of Durham had realised that following the Stonewall guidance would mean that the women’s toilets, which just happened to be located closest to the bar, would, come Saturday night, be full of the pissed up rugby team. Whereas under the current seperate system, they were forced to walk a bit further down a corridor.

Unsurprisingly the young women said no, and the resulting backlash had been quite upsetting.

Now, where is the Bewilderness and her rules 0f misogyny when you need her?

Shampooeeee · 14/09/2018 20:11

Bravo Angelos, thank you for standing up for women.
I’m disappointed to find these woke ass twats in an institution like Durham.

SophoclesTheFox · 14/09/2018 19:43

Oh, yeah, I missed that, crackpots! All the best people are some sort of Sophocles Grin

I'm not a Greek philospher though. I'm a jellybean eating 700 year old multiply cloned actual fox

Ereshkigal · 14/09/2018 19:27

Brilliant :)

CrackpotsArePots · 14/09/2018 19:24

Thank you (the aptly named) Angelos Sophocles Sofeocleous

SophoclesTheFox · 14/09/2018 19:05

Well said Angelos Grin

WhereYouLeftIt · 14/09/2018 18:56

Well, Angelos Sofocleous's latest tweet shows that his sacking is not shutting him up - quite the contrary! Well done him!

"What women experience - discrimination, abuse, rape - is solely on the fact that they are female. A male who claims to be a woman disregards the 'price' that certain people pay simply for being born female. Being a woman means being a female, and vice versa - nothing else."

twitter.com/Sofocleous_A/status/1040517878976573441

Melamin · 14/09/2018 16:27

I think it is keeping your head down and hoping it will pass and you will not get singled out.

Or ostrich syndrome.

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