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Durham Philosophy Journal editor sacked for saying women don't have penises

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 14/09/2018 00:25

www.palatinate.org.uk/assistant-editor-of-durham-philosophy-journal-fired-for-transphobic-retweet/

Someone please tell me that this isn't true and is some kind of piss take. Or that there is more to the story or something.

The world really has gone mad.

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Ereshkigal · 14/02/2019 14:47

Well done Angelos, though!

Ereshkigal · 14/02/2019 14:46

Interesting comments about ‘security concerns’ being the new deplatforming.

YY. Both Meghan Murphy's talks in Canada, arguably Leeds WPUK, this, and others.

severnbore · 14/02/2019 14:31

The Bristol Post covered this: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/student-trans-row-banned-bristol-2536648

'Despite the SU deeming Mr Sofocleous’ attendance as “high risk”, the University Security Services had informed the Free Speech Society “they were not at all consulted by the SU on the matter”.'

So the Bristol SU are lying? They just made up the 'security risk' and never spoke to the university security services? Something seems really dodgy here...

Bowlofbabelfish · 14/02/2019 13:26

Interesting comments about ‘security concerns’ being the new deplatforming.

For your own safety, we can’t allow you to think. Be fearful. You’re easier to control.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2019 13:15

Good for him!

Popchyk · 14/02/2019 13:03

So Angelos decided to pitch up at the event anyways.

"I attended the debate as an audience member and after the audience's demand I joined the panel. Three people had a civilized debate, exchanged criticisms, added to each other's points, and enjoyed a healthy and productive dialogue with the audience".

twitter.com/Sofocleous_A/status/1095940304337846272

The risk of public disorder which the Students Union previously assessed as "highly likely" did not occur.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/02/2019 18:35

*if

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/02/2019 18:34

He's one of the speakers at this event soon of anyone is interested in attending:

Meeting in Newcastle www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3501215-Meeting-in-Newcastle

Charley50 · 11/02/2019 17:57

The BBC have the story on the website. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-47199156
Said that his tweets saying that women don't have penises led to a 'transphobic row.'

IdaBWells · 11/02/2019 16:16

It's frightening that stating objective truth can get you beaten up.

TowelNumber42 · 11/02/2019 08:49

It shocks me that the mainstream press isn't running this story.

There would be great headlines in this latest development.

Him being removed from a panel on free speech and why? Because police believe trans students would become dangerously violent if they hear someone saying that women don't have penises in a uni debate.

Does anyone have any journalist contacts?

bluescreen · 11/02/2019 08:42

At the institution where I work, the SU is constantly trying to frame feminists as being likely to start/cause violent protests. Not too sure how they could convince the police of that, though.

If words can constitute 'literal violence' and a misgendering tweet requires the attendance of three police officers...

Bowlofbabelfish · 11/02/2019 08:31

Nine grand a year is a lot to pay for secure, soothing daycare for the easily offended.

Free speech on campus! No not you....

moimichme · 11/02/2019 07:49

At the institution where I work, the SU is constantly trying to frame feminists as being likely to start/cause violent protests. Not too sure how they could convince the police of that, though. Hmm

WhatHaveYou · 11/02/2019 07:37

Yes they seem to be admitting the police require riot gear to hold TRAs back.

terfsandwich · 11/02/2019 05:43

So is this how they're trying to get around the no platforming ban? Claim they have the support of the police to maintain public safety!

I agree with earlier comment. It's laughably ironic that they are saying transgender rights activists are the ones posing a threat of violence!

ErrolTheDragon · 11/02/2019 01:32

We know that 90% of the public does not believe that women can have a penis.

I'm not convinced as many as 10% of the public - or students for that matter - really believe a woman can have a penis.

I thought that universities - working with the ECHR and the National SU had just come out with a pro-free speech, anti 'no-platforming' policy? Haven't this lot heard?

GCAcademic · 10/02/2019 20:41

We know that 90% of the public does not believe that women can have a penis. How does it get to the point that you cannot say, under threat of provoking violent protest (apparently), on a university campus, something that 90% of the public believe to be true?

Students Unions should not be allowed to operate on campus when they offer this kind of blatant threat to debate and academic freedom. If you threaten the operation of the institution, there should be sanctions.

littlbrowndog · 10/02/2019 20:18

And very very privileged idiots at that

littlbrowndog · 10/02/2019 20:17

The truth. Hard to face for some

Idiots all of them self righteous idiot# at that

Without a critical brain or thought between them

Illyria47 · 10/02/2019 19:45

I have never known a generation so eager to be offended as this current crop of students both here and in the US. As has been noted on this post, students go to University to learn 'how to think, think critically, engage in debate, disagree with others on an intellectual, not emotional level. As for the idea that merely stating 'women do not have penises' is so horrifically trans-phobic the person saying this must be punished, well all I can say is to the person/s being offended, 'stop being so up yourselves and grow up'. I haven't read all of the Atlantic article but have been following other writers concerned at this coddling of students and the dangers it represents to both them and academia in particular. Suppression of free speech is one of the tools, in fact probably the first tool in creating a totalitarian society. The trans gender debate has brought this out into the sunlight. Robust, courteous debate is essential to a free society. I am pretty sure that if I wrote to our local paper on this issue stating my belief that trans women and men are still the biological sex they were born with and are therefore not the same as biological women and men I would be labelled transphobic. The fact that I would go on to say I would however treat trans women and men with courtesy, give them the pronouns they wish to be referred to would be lost in the general uproar. If one goes through life forever looking to be frightened of certain subjects or ideas one can never grow and develop. Meanwhile in the real world men, women and children are suffering because of the totalitarian societies they are living in.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 10/02/2019 19:38

Good lord. The irony.

GCAcademic · 10/02/2019 18:47

So the Students’ Union has basically said that trans students are likely to be violent? Talk about an own goal!

WhatHaveYou · 10/02/2019 18:36

Bristol, is that where the Jam jar We need to talk event was featured on Ch4?