Double mastectomies for kids in the US

So what we do know is that adolescents have the capacity to make a reasoned, logical decision.

Surely what we do know is that adolescents don't have the capacity to make a reasoned, logical decision. It's practically the definition of adolescence.

This is one of the examples of why language is so crucial. The cutesy 'top surgery' thing is completely oblique to anyone who doesn't understand. Mastectomy is the truth, and frankly, given the entire lack of actual need for this surgery, I would even be content with a blunt 'chopping off healthy breasts'.

So, what is going on is surgeons are lopping off the healthy breasts of young teen girls.

The West is utterly morally bankrupt.

The doctors doing this shit better stash all their ill gotten gains ready to flee the country when the law suits start flying.

A poster (georgefayne) who is a doc in the USA as far as I’m aware, made a really good point about this on a thread a little while back.

There’s a concept of ‘the standard of care’ which is basically the medically accepted way of dealing with something. That can change over time as research progresses. That can be good (for example delayed cord clamping at birth where safe to do so is now generally accepted practice.) but it can also be bad.

The point George made was that the standard of care is under huge pressure to shift, from TRAs themselves. They’ve already changed some of the DSM definitions for example and now they’re trying to get AGP removed as a ‘thing.’ There’s more on that in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3328210-Follow-the-money-who-is-funding-the-US-transborg

You’ve also got immense pressure to get the standard of care changed here - demedicalisation for adults, affirmative treatment only for kids etc. Blockers and hormones etc.

Why is this important and why am I waffling on about it? Well; the point about the standard of care is that it’s MUCH harder to sue someone if they are following it. IF we change to a default ‘affirm everyone, hormones and surgery for all’ approach then it could be argued that they were followingthe SOC.

Wheels within wheels

They're all so fucking craven.

with = without

What puzzles me is that humans have been "civilised" for centuries with resorting hacking bits off ourselves or suddenly deciding we are in the ""wrong" body.

TRAs say it's just because we would not acknowledge these deeply unhappy individuals in the past.

Bollocks. It goes along with anorexia, self-harm, trichotillomania and so on.

You have to question the sanity of WHO in their decision to say gender dysphoria is not a mental condition. What the hell is it then?

And what starts this off?

Signs can appear at a very young age e.g. a child refusing to wear typical clothes of their gender or taking part in non- typical games.

According to British Gymnastics.

Absolutely criminal.

“And here’s the other thing about chest surgery: If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them.

Absolutely! And they'll be fully-functioning for most circumstances under consideration.

Except for anyone who wishes to breastfeed. But, you know, you spend a very small amount of your life engaged in that function. And options such as formula are readily available.

Possibly the sexual sensitivity would be lacking.

And, as long as you keep on top of the need for replacement or possible as yet unknown long-term effects of having them for decades, there should be no health problems. Or, they'll be nugatory compared to the need for exogenous hormone therapy.

But aside from those considerations - for appearance, they'll be indistinguishable.

So, on the one hand we rage (rightly) about FGM on the other we see a sophisticated western democracy permanently mutilating children in the name of transgenderism.

I hope these dumb bozos have good lawyers - as sure as hell they are going to need them, especially in the sue crazy culture that is the US.

Sadly, US fashions cross the pond quite quickly.

It is deeply unethical and utterly immoral.

Christ.

So what we do know is that adolescents have the capacity to make a reasoned, logical decision.”

And compares it to choosing a college.

In a breathtaking dismissal of possible regret, Olson also said, “And here’s the other thing about chest surgery: If you want breasts at a later point in your life, you can go and get them.

This is a monster.

This is what I don't get, it just seems to get worse and worse, why are people accepting this.

Who is going to stand up and protect these Girls?

There isn’t actually a word to describe this , horrific and obscene just don’t adequately cover it.

Terrifying. I can’t help but draw parallels in my mind to disorders like anorexia (shall we start performing gastric bands and liposuction at their request now?!) or those patients who identify as limb amputees who beg surgeons to amputate perfectly healthy and fully functioning limbs.

It’s child abuse

I actually think this who thing could lead to civil war sometimes.

This is wholesale industrial child abuse. I can't bear it.