Double mastectomies for kids in the US

This is horrendous. I struggle to get my head round the fact that medical bodies and government's are allowing, and effictively promoting, what is a small, if well funded faction, to gain so much ground and power to openly abuse children.

Every time I think surely it can't get worse, something else crops up, and the worse thing is the majority of it isn't hitting the headlines or even getting a mention in main stream news outlets

honeysucklejasmine

I hear you.

the problem is pigeonholing gender stereotypes. If as a woman/girl I don't want to conform to societies concept of what being female means I must be male. Not that societal norms don't work for all.

This is terrifying. How can the medical profession believe that adolescents can make decisions like this?
Help these girls with their dysphoria and support them through puberty. If they want to transition as adults, they can, but most will not and will go on to live happily as women.

Baby dolls not actual babies.

Signs can appear at a very young age e.g. a child refusing to wear typical clothes of their gender or taking part in non- typical games.

So my sister who would never wear a skirt, insisted on short hair, action man, robots etc really just wanted to be a boy? I loathed dollies - babies freaked me out and I alswys suspected that the baby doll ones might come alive and poke my eyes out (hammer house or horror).

Since when did being a Tomboy make you a tranny who needs surgery and drugs?

My 14 year old can't be trusted to choose his own underpants let alone plastic surgery.

If a hell exists there's a special circle in it for people like Olson, who're riding this wave for notoriety and profit.

Children deserve to be protected until they're old enough to make their own decisions. 13 is not the age at which they should be allowed to do so. Why is everything we know about cognitive development in children being handwaved away if the child claims to be trans? Long term decision making isn't fully up and running until the mid twenties, even 18 would be a bit young to fully comprehend the consequences.

The mastectomy thing is supposedly because wearing a binder is harmful.
And frankly (and this is clutching straws) slightly better than the unknown and unresearched long term effects of testosterone.

But yes - mostly girls - both trans men and non binaries

God, that worst thing I had to worry about at school was being (correctly) called an overweight nerd. Now, teenage bitching and culture can lead to sterility.

I don't know how you protect a child against ROGD. From talking to parents on here, it comes in all shapes and sizes - previously very pink and fluffy girls who suddenly decide with no warning they're boys, young lesbians struggling with their sexuality, "tomboys" who decide that if they don't fit into society's gendered cages, the problem lies with their bodies rather than society, girls trying to escape from sexual abuse, girls swayed by tumblr, girls swayed by a large cohort of their RL peers doing it, girls with aspergers, girls who would have been anorexic a generation ago...

The scariest conversation I had was with a mother who said her child had always been the sceptical rational kid, right up until the moment they were "got at" on social media (this was in response to me saying DS likes nail varnish, but I'm hoping his innately sceptical nature and strong grounding in how harmful sex stereotypes are will prove some sort of immunising factor).

Maybe I should go at his toe-nails (currently shocking pink) with nail-polish remover. (On the other hand nail polish does seem to be doing a better job of treating his fungal nail infection than the stuff from the chemists...)

This is absolutely horrified me. All those women who are supporting the trans argument and accusing us of being bigots are complicit in this. I include women posting on here

I've a friend transitioning, and honestly I was so upset at his post mastectomy photos. I remember the indie, rather femme, lesbian and I find it hard to see him now. I'm happy he's happy but ... I dunno, just upsets me that he felt it necessary.

Absolutely not flippant, Datun. I thought I was doing the right thing, trying to raise her without oppressive stereotypes, but now it seems that it might lead to all sorts of interventions.

Breasts are part of the sexual stimulation response to orgasm.

Disgusting and abhorrent. They will never get their healthy breast tissue back. Healthy breast tissue consigned to the incinerator.

Can you just imagine the outcry if these were testicles removed?

And yet many women cannot get sterilised under the age of 35.

I am starting to think I am doing my DD a disservice by letting her dress and play how she likes. Should I push her towards girly girl stuff to protect her from this? So regressive. sad

Not sure if that was flippancy honeysucklejasmine, but if my children weren't already grown up, that would be my worry.

Which is why I think a generation is all it could take to categorise women as compliant and feminine people, irrespective of biology.

If that's a genuine worry, all I would advise is that you consistently maintain that sex categories are about biology, and nothing more.

And a side order of gender critical feminism, obvs!

Because non-compliant, nonconforming girls need strong support in the face of this ideology.

Do they castrate boys or is it only girls they mutilate?

So, on the one hand we rage (rightly) about FGM on the other we see a sophisticated western democracy permanently mutilating children in the name of transgenderism.

THIS.

I am starting to think I am doing my DD a disservice by letting her dress and play how she likes. Should I push her towards girly girl stuff to protect her from this? So regressive.

Important to note about the standards of care which the gender specialists follow so slavishly - it relies on there being a secure diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

Up until the last few years, it was very rare for a teenager to develop GD. So the standards of care have not been developed with this cohort in mind. You can see this on the NHS choices website, where they refer either to adults, or to children whose dysphoria has persisted through puberty:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

"The first signs of gender dysphoria can appear at a very young age. For example, a child may refuse to wear typical boys' or girls' clothes, or dislike taking part in typical boys' or girls' games and activities.
In most cases, this type of behaviour is just part of growing up and will pass in time, but for those with gender dysphoria it continues through childhood and into adulthood.
Adults with gender dysphoria can feel trapped inside a body that doesn't match their gender identity".

No mention of teenagers.

So the clinicians treating these adolescents (in North America mainly), with "informed consent", may well find that the standards of care do not protect them if it turns out that these young people were not suffering from gender dysphoria, but that the distress was a symptom of something else.

The Endocrine Society in the US ends its summary of its guidelines with: "Clinicians should avoid harming individuals (via hormone treatment) who have conditions other than gender dysphoria/gender incongruence and who may not benefit from the physical changes associated with this treatment."

However, I do not hold out much hope in the short term as gender transition seems to trump everything else, including common sense and basic biology with some kind of religious fervour.

Lobotomies went out of fashion eventually. Maybe we can cling to that hope.

Reconstructed breasts are nothing like the originals. They have limited to zero sensation, for a start. They don't move. They don't "squoosh" into different bra shapes if you want to change your bra type for different outfits/activities. It's strongly recommended that women with reconstructed breasts avoid underwires, because they leave dents in the silicone.

I am pretty pissed off to see any future reconsideration waved off as, "Oh well, they can have the same treatment that cancer and BRCA patients have." What the hell.

Those poor, poor girls. What the hell were their parents thinking? How on earth can children of 13 or 14 possibly be equipped to make such a decision?

Bowl is right again. You can't sue a doctor for having performed a lobotomy, even though we understand how utterly barbaric they are, if that doctor can prove that they followed the standards of care present at the time.