Accepting the term 'cis'?

being referred to as 'cis' is in no way detrimental to society

Bullshit: "Cis" means that you accept the gendered roles society conditions men & women into.

I reject gender. It's a set of historically and culturally constructed roles, designed to oppress women. Gender is biologically determinative: gender roles require people to assume that if you have ovaries & a uterus you should be submissive, kind, nurturing, and be paid on average 15% less.

Bull shit.

We don't have a term for people who don't collect stamps. Stamp collectors may but they can keep that to themselves because nobody is interested.

If people obsessed with gender roles would like to have words with which to discuss that obsession among themselves then that's fine, but at some point they're going to have to accept that most of us just don't care about what their personal relationship to the concept of femininity/masculinity is.

Sounds a good documentary. I'd watch it

He was annoyed as he had watched a documentary involving a (as he described her) 'radical feminist' explaining to a mtf trans woman that she had grown up with male privilege and would never understand the world as a girl/woman due to this.

So he's annoyed when women (who're probably not making much effort to be appealing to him either sexually or otherwise) speak authoritatively and point out to men that sometimes we know more about a given subject than they do? He may think of himself as a liberal, but that "how dare she" reaction is pretty sexist.

Stuntnun excellent point.

Op next time your teenage male family member tells you your are a cis woman you can ask him does that make him a cis man? I bet he doesn’t like it.

I'm curious how many men would accept now being identified as a cis-man. Funny how that doesn't seem to come up as an issue. It's almost as if trans-men aren't desperate to put natal men firmly in their place.

That's an interesting point Kenn transwomen want the word woman so we have to accept the prefix cis. Cis will then come to mean woman to most people as it applies to women. So women, previously known as transwomen, will want cis? Doesn't matter how far you capitulate to a bully they won't stop.Shon was very clear " welcome to your erasure" indeed.

They have already, Kenn. I've seen twitter threads where queer theorists have been arguing that transwomen become "cis women" after they've had surgery.

Anyway, "cis, my arse" seems to about cover it. Or "no fucking way."

I sometime think we should wholesale adopt the term 'cis' I'd also like to bet that if we did trans women would not be happy about it and would come after the term cis as well, insisting that we don't need it or that they are also 'cis'.

Is there word for 'not having a sexual fetish, not internalized homophobia , nor mummy issues' maybe I will accept that but not cos as I don't have a gender

But you're completely right of course!

It's actually quite a good thread, and the notion that women should accept being called "cis" has been thoroughly refuted

Not read the whole thread, as it might make me explode. I HATE THE TERM CIS. I find it highly offensive, how dare someone rename me, I spent decades fighting against being called a girl or little lady (patronising). I am a woman, and I earned that bloody title, through decades of fighting sexist patronising arseholes.

So no I won't accept it, I am a woman, and no one has the right to put me a sub category. cis woman is as offensive & patronising as little lady and girlie.

KISS, rufus

And again:

"yeah call me terf, I don't care" ✅
"TRAs call anyone and everyone TERF" ✅

"youre a bunch of TERFs trans excluders" ❎

Oooh and beyond has colourful little tick boxes

Thats nice

Also FYI, "trans excluders" couldn't be a clearer way of trying to get around saying "TERF" if you attached lights and bunting to it.

Useful post comparisons:

"I identify as a cis woman" ✅
"TRAs think we are all cis" ✅

"you are all cis women" ❎

This has come up a few times on here and i really dont know why people are still struggling with the concept

It has become very apparent that this is not an attempt to have a discussion or to gain information/debate it. Reported.

Basically when we are using the word 'cis' we are referring to the word itself; when TRAs use it they are referring to women. Those are two different referents.

Remind me again, why are trans-excluders permitted to use this term without MN removing the thread? Why are women who are perfectly content to embrace the term forbidden to use it

You can use the term for yourself

You are requested not to use it for other people

If its reported it might be deleted

Remind me again, why are trans-excluders permitted to use this term without MN removing the thread? Why are women who are perfectly content to embrace the term forbidden to use it?

Because there's a difference between discussing a word and applying it to someone against their will.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use–mention_distinction

Remind me again, why are trans-excluders permitted to use this term without MN removing the thread? Why are women who are perfectly content to embrace the term forbidden to use it?