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Accepting the term 'cis'?

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MyBeloved · 12/09/2018 18:52

During a debate with a teenage male family member, I was told I had to accept I was a ciswoman, not a woman...whether I liked it or not! I was also told as a ciswoman I had priviages trans mtf could only dream of.

I feel angry. Should I accept this? Or shall I continue standing up for my adult human female rights?!

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Ereshkigal · 17/09/2018 08:05

Yes I'm sure it was a genuine mistake on their part.

KennDodd · 17/09/2018 07:45

Facebook missed out 'no gender, sex, female' I think we should write to them, let them know they've missed the blindingly obvious.

AngryAttackKittens · 17/09/2018 05:44

Like, where does out friend Zoe who's amicagender go to change for PE? With all the other girls. Where does Dave who's "Anesigender: feeling like a certain gender yet being more comfortable identifying with another" change? With the boys, even if he decides that he'd prefer to be called Naruto Starship Magic Elf.

AngryAttackKittens · 17/09/2018 05:42

Amicagender: a gender that changes depending on which friend you’re with

Can we admit that these are children in the process of trying to figure out who they are and stop taking the whole thing so bloody seriously now? Kids assigning themselves and their friends "genders" like they're in an RPG among themselves on Tumblr - fine. Taking those "genders" seriously and basing social policy on that - completely absurd.

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 17/09/2018 04:52

See also 'Transwomen are women' - the phrase 'Transmen are men' is used, but it's always an afterthought, never the battlecry.

And thIs despite transmen reportedly starting to significantly outnumber transwomen. It’s almost like transmen actually do experience typical submissive female social conditioning or something.

deepwatersolo · 16/09/2018 22:12

I am translongitude latitude fluid (in the days of old one might have called me an avid Traveller).

Passports and IDs of any sort are literal violence. Citizenships erase me and elections by the locals are literal murder.

And don‘t you dare shove me into any of your darn cislongitude cislatitude toilets. I need a toilet that fits my identity, an Italian Style one, where you stand, you bigot!

deepwatersolo · 16/09/2018 21:58

fantasmasgoria sorry to tell you, but ‚woman‘ is the one identity you cannot have. It is totally off-limits, except for the transwomenarewomen folks.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 16/09/2018 21:50

I, Fekko. Get over it.

fantasmasgoria1 · 16/09/2018 21:48

I’m not cis I am a woman pure and simple. I don’t like the term.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 16/09/2018 21:41

Hen, it gets better! genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender

Bolloxio · 16/09/2018 21:34

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10930654/Facebooks-71-gender-options-come-to-UK-users.html

71 genders.

Fail to see how asexual is a gender Hmm

YeTalkShiteHen · 16/09/2018 18:40

It seems to be purely about how you feel about yourself and how you want to be seen by the world.

No wonder I’m confused!

PerspicaciaTick · 16/09/2018 18:39

YeTalkShiteHen, gender has nothing to do with biology. It doesn't even have anything to do with sexuality. It seems to be purely about how you feel about yourself and how you want to be seen by the world.
It is amazing that there are only 71 genders, by rights there should be one for every person in the world. I, for example, identify as PerspicaciaTickgender...I am a scruffy middle-aged person who prefers to keep my own company and presents as being beyond caring.

FermatsTheorem · 16/09/2018 18:37

No - still two bathroom types.

Men and "Non-men".

That's all the penis people feel is needed in the world.

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deepwatersolo · 16/09/2018 18:33

71 different bathroom types...

FermatsTheorem · 16/09/2018 18:28

71 genders!

It really is getting like angels on the head of a pin (with apologies to the Medieval philosophers who intended that to be a mere illustration of what was actually a serious point about mathematics). Or epicycles within epicycles to prop up an earth-centric cosmology which no longer made any sense. Or arguments as to whether one could sign up to all 39 Articles or merely 38. Or which bits of the Apocrypha should be taken seriously and which not.

YeTalkShiteHen · 16/09/2018 18:19

What are they? I’m genuinely completely at a loss.

Male, female, biologically intersex, pre-op trans woman/man, post-op trans woman/man in the current indulgent climate I can see.

What are the 65 odd I’ve missed?

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 16/09/2018 18:18

I know. It's bonkers. They recognise over 30 in New York.

YeTalkShiteHen · 16/09/2018 18:10

71 genders? Mind = blown.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 16/09/2018 18:06

There are two genders... man and woman if a woman transitions then she becomes a man and vice versa

Nope. Facebook listed 71 genders at the last count. There are two sexes, female and male, and a small percentage of people who are intersex.

YeTalkShiteHen · 16/09/2018 17:41

Noqont yes that’s it! That makes perfect sense to me.

Noqont · 16/09/2018 17:30

I think that's exactly it. It's about men trying to hurt women and children. And get away with it in a safe legal framework for themselves. And that's never ok. You'd never dream that these days woman would need to be fighting to hang onto the rights they have to keep them safe. When we already had them. Yet that is exactly what is happening, and if we don't fight it our rights and safety will be gone. Into the hands of men.

YeTalkShiteHen · 16/09/2018 17:26

Noqont all of what you’ve said is true and it’s also the reason I cannot wrap my head around it.

Again, MNHQ, this is my own literal interpretation, but I cannot and will not support anyone who is determined to erode the rights of women, that we have fought bloody hard for. Because to my mind, it doesn’t look like people trying to be women. It looks like people trying to hurt women, and that’s never ok.

deepwatersolo · 16/09/2018 17:23

Yeah, that is Miranda yardley‘s position, third spaces. I believe the batshit crazy, entitled aggression of TRA‘s has made many women question, why we should give anything at all.