Accepting the term 'cis'?

i'm prepared to tolerate awoman

so i'm not cis or trans as I identify as awoman (biological female who doesn't' believe in gender)

Exactly Infinite.

There are women and transwomen. No need for 'cis'.

We don't need cis to define us from trans that's what trans is for

because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women.

No honey.

How many fingers am I holding up Winston?

Fuck that shit.

I believe in truth.

I wouldn't accept it

Cis is just another made up term...in this discussion at least not in a chemistry one

@RedToothBrush in what sense is it damaging to society?

Do I have to go into my life history?

It's damaging to women. It tells them they have privilege over anyone trans, when that is often utter bollocks.

It's just a way of telling women to shut up and listen to a man.

It's about creating a hierarchy of privilege based on identity which is a bunch of total arse.

I hope that helps.

Don't stand for it OP, if you don't feel comfortable.

And stop passive aggressive @ing me.

Really? Are there people somewhere drawing out random cards and deciding that this afternoon, we will be revisiting the subject of calling women 'cis', so we can rehearse the goady definitions, grab some screenshots, wind up some newbies and do the whole thing again?

OP, well, clearly you don't have to accept being called anything. You already know this, because you dropped some popular GC phrases in there for emphasis, so you're familiar with the ideas. So, you know, as an adult human female, you can make your own mind up, can't you?

Ellen7262 "Cis literally just means 'not trans'"

It absolutely does not! Trans is about not identifying with the gender associated with your sex, so cis would mean identifying with it. Feminine gender stereotypes (since that's all gender is) are about being demure and chaste and dressed in skirts and high heels and being submissive etc. - well, Fuck That Shit, as someone besides myself has undoubtedly said.

If you are not trans, then 'woman' (or 'man') is just fine.

How does cis mean not trans when a transwoman means not a woman? I can't be a transwoman because I'm already a woman.

@RedToothBrush in what sense is it damaging to society?

Because we are being forced to lie.

MEN can not be FEMALE
FEMALES can not be MEN.

It’s biologically impossible. So why the fuck are we being told to lie?

You should have told him not to misgender you.
Say it seriosuly.
If that;s the rules that's the rules.
If you dont' identify as cis he is committing literal violence by saying that is what you are.

I'm not joking.
Funny isn't it that everyone gets to choose who they are except for middle aged people with cunts. They get TOLD who they are and are not allowed to change.

Other point is that trasn relies on there being lots of "cis" people. They've never actually,as far as I know, checked whether
a. most people actually do have a stringly held internal sense of gender ID (as is always claimed) and
b. that it is usually "cis"

Fact is most teens will identify as genderqueer in some way in about 2 years time. There won't be a cis amongst them.

What then?
As long as middle aged women are TOLD they are cis, it keeps the ball rolling?

How about women's issues and trans women's issues? Bit of a radical concept I know. can't believe I have to explain this to adults

I don't accept it but Im a cross dresser so I'm included under the trans umbrella as per stonewall guidance.

The first commandment of the church of queer is that though shalt accept any self-ID. So, if you do not ID as cis, because you, say, reject the concept of gender, it is literal violence and erasure if someone slaps a label on you that you reject (like cis).

This is a teenage boy telling a grown woman to know her place

That's damaging as fuck.

Cis literally just means 'not trans'

No, that's wrong.

Accepting cis as a label means accepting you are comfortable with your gender. Gender is a social construct which grossly harms women. I am not comfortable with the stereotypes surrounding feminity being applied to me. I won't be reduced to 'cis'. I am me, an individual. An adult human female with my own complex personality.

Cis literally just means 'not trans', because whether you like it or not, trans women ARE women

No they are not

I’m a woman because my DNA says so. I don’t need a new prefix thanks. I’m just woman.

@RedToothBrush in what sense is it damaging to society?

Doesn;t make any sense.
The whole point of ID politics is you choose your own identity, it iis entirely up to you, and no-one should challenge it in any way.

Until women say "I'm not cis" and get told "Yes you fucking well are!!!!" well where's the immutable right of everyone to identify how they choose then, eh?

We have a defining term, it's woman - adult human female. The distinction between woman and transwoman is fairly obvious to anyone. Female people do not need a qualifier.

@Ellen7262 women and trans women would do, no need for imposing your descriptors on people who don't identify with them.