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40% against the GRA changes in Scotland, from initial consultation breakdown

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leyat · 12/09/2018 18:10

So the initial findings just shared with ourselves and some others regarding the Scottish GRA consultation found that a whopping 40% of responses were against self ID, despite LGBT/trans orgs saying that only a very tiny minority were against the government's proposals.

Yes we would like a majority against but that was never going to be likely due to the nature of the issue and the fact that LGBT groups were rallying all their support behind supporting the proposals while most women had no idea it was even happening or was relevant to them. But we also never needed a majority against the proposals to challenge this legislation. We of course need to see a proper breakdown and how responses are weighted, but this is a win for us. This kind of legislation needs solid widespread support if it is to be argued that it will not impact on women and girls, and not even something like an unrepresentative consultation where trans activists went full force in getting all their support to respond to it - and one which did not at all address the possible impacts on women and girls - can give them that. And we can be sure that women's responses were not generic and went into great detail and evidence in terms of how our lives would be impacted, which is something the govt cannot ignore. The govt cannot say a substantial number of women's lives being affected is just fine cos most people that responded to the consultation don't care. It doesn't work like that. So great job everyone who worked on this. We did good.

*I tried to link the file but realise it's only images I can upload...

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theOtherPamAyres · 12/09/2018 20:07

That is a tremendous result, given that few people knew (1) that there was a consultation (2) what was at stake.

KataraJean · 12/09/2018 18:46

From the letter above it looks more like a two thirds for/one third against of Scottish respondents.

I need to do the maths properly but 49% of 15000 ish respondents is just under 7500 people, so around 5000 respondents in Scotland who filled in the consultation would approve self-ID.

I don’t know - in any other circumstances, a two thirds majority for a proposal would be a significant victory. No to self-ID is a third, that is 2 500 people living in Scotland -approximately. If this means something can still be done, then good but I hope you are right.

That said, the consultation questions were loaded and the consultation was not widely publicised.
Scotland is already fairly far down the genderist route so I think this will be seen as support, unfortunately.

Keeptrudging · 12/09/2018 18:35

Hang on a minute. Only 49% of respondents were from within Scotland? How does that work, that 51% of respondents are influencing policy from out with. What % of those resident in Scotland were for/against it?

HuckfromScandal · 12/09/2018 18:34

Very happy to be part of the 40%

ToeToToe · 12/09/2018 18:32

Oh, I filled it in, and I haven't got a letter.

leyat · 12/09/2018 18:32

Yup, exactly right. We are not a tiny minority and the consultation did not specifically consult women but it has given as a basis for asking the Scottish govt to now consult with us on these changes.

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Blacksquirrellysock · 12/09/2018 18:29

Just remember that so many women weren’t aware of this whilst the TRAs mobilised their entire online army to fill this in. This is a good result.

oleannasbluemask · 12/09/2018 18:22

Never again can they call us a tiny minority.

leyat · 12/09/2018 18:21

This is most of the letter I got in response...

40% against the GRA changes in Scotland, from initial consultation breakdown
40% against the GRA changes in Scotland, from initial consultation breakdown
40% against the GRA changes in Scotland, from initial consultation breakdown
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ToeToToe · 12/09/2018 18:20

Interesting. As you say, there will be a self-selecting bias here - loads of people are not even aware of this.

The results of Penis Pink News own commissioned poll found only 18% of the general public are in favour of self ID.

That's an awful lot of us being sent to the gulag for re-education.

arranfan · 12/09/2018 18:12

Can you link where we can see the file listed or the Google terms we'd need to use to locate it?

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