The death of women's sports?

It'd the theft of women's sports.

I cant think of any sports in which a woman or girl would have an advantage over the Male.

Yes that’s right, because modern warfare is exactly like sport. The two are directly comparable.

That’s why professional sports people retire and go into the armed forces . Because if they score the most goals or run fastest they will also be the best fighter pilot, munitions expert or doctor.

Stands to reason.

One of the problems feminists face over this issue is that they'll happily state that women should be able to be in front line combat roles, even special forces, i.e. go to war against men, but when a man throws them a bouncy ball and asks 'wanna play a game?' they start crying about how easily their legs and arms snap in half and how the physical differences make everything ridiculously unfair.

Yeah, that's exactly it, isn't it? Why not just make women compete against men in all events an races and have done with it?

FFS.

One of the problems feminists face over this issue is that they'll happily state that women should be able to be in front line combat roles, even special forces, i.e. go to war against men, but when a man throws them a bouncy ball and asks 'wanna play a game?' they start crying about how easily their legs and arms snap in half and how the physical differences make everything ridiculously unfair.

The narrative needs more consistency.

There's another example in volleyball in the USA. www.nbcnews.com/video/transgender-volleyball-player-eyes-2020-olympic-games-902821443929?v=railb&

In case you don't first recognise which one is Tia in the footage of them training, they're the one sporting the tiniest shorts and the only one doing a hip wiggle whilst playing their sport.

The next Olympic games is going to be very interesting...

Maybe the sticker campaign can get a bit more specific, we need some slogans.

coed sports are unsporting

A man called Tiffany is dominating women's volleyball in Brazil. Brazil has self-id. Tiffany was a mediocre men's player before transitioning, now he's dominating the women's game

pjmedia.com/trending/man-named-tiffany-dominating-womens-pro-volleyball-brazil/

A man has been given a Women's Gaming Award for Best Presenter.

Even though there's an Advocacy award for men.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45502044

Women in esports are unhappy, to say the least.

AspieAndProud - reporting might need to be incredibly convoluted, but people will know that it’s a man.

Iused2BanOptimist - Serena is a great role model for women, physically and mentally strong. She wouldn’t hold back if she got pitted against a transwoman.

Generally speaking: The thing about Wimbledon is that it’s not just about tennis. It’s also not just about the strawberries and cream, though that’s about the experience of Wimbledon. A lot of people aren’t interested in sports at all, many are interested in one or two or three sports. But everybody knows about Wimbledon. Lots of people watch Wimbledon, and some of them play tennis and some know about how players get to Wimbledon. If a Trixiee or Melanee or a name that ends in -ee, suddenly pops up having smashed their way through the lead-up tournaments, and plays with the physical force that only a male musculo-skeletal power can deliver – then loads of ordinary people will get “woke” to the reality of what’s happened to women’s sports.

And then will question what can’t be said about that person’s tennis history, because deadnaming is disallowed.

There’s a Pratchett quote, which I can’t recall exactly, but it’s along the lines of “history only happens when it happens to you”. In other words, it’s often only when it becomes personal, for whatever reason, that realisation dawns. But it’s almost criminal that realisation, when it happens, will only be after much damage has been done to girls and women.

Even in sports where men and women compete together, transwomen are barging their way in and hoovering up resources meant to encourage female participation, as well as media attention.

Witness the utterly uncritical, sycophantic and copious coverage given to a "female", very third-rate, racing driver called Charlie Martin. Martin was born male and began a motorsport career with none of the disadvantages that being female entails, transitioning aged about 30. Now supposedly a poster girl for women in motorsport and happy to claim women's awards and membership of women's associations. Frequently claims to have finished on the podium, when it's a class podium corresponding to a low overall finishing position, but never pulled up on it, or anything else.

My DD plays for a girls football team, I wouldn't ever advise her to stop playing because it is a wonderful part of her life. But my heart sinks when I watch them training and see what a truly special space it is for them to share, as girls, together. If they have to include boys then not only will privacy become an issue in the changing rooms but also I think something really precious will be lost, that female only space. What an utter shame.

Kooshbin Serena Williams has said she wouldn't stand a chance against any of the top 350 men. For an indifferent male tennis player, scratching a living somewhere around 200 in the rankings to win in the women's game the financial rewards would be enormous. I long for it to happen because that will be guaranteed to peak trans practically the whole world. Imagine the rant from Serena - last week's performance would be just a warm up.

My niece is an athlete - and was a very successful one until she started getting stress fractures - caused by her failure to begin menstruation. She's still fighting to get back into competition after managing only one event in 18 months because of this. It's more common than people think.

It's a uniquely female problem...

I keep coming back to the key question: why do we segregate/separate the sexes for sports in the first place?

We need to keep asking that question - because it provides the key answer needed for why transwomen cannot be allowed to enter women's events.

The Equality Act allows sex discrimination (and gender reassignment discrimination) in relation to sports where "the strength, stamina and physique of the average man" would give them an advantage over the average woman. I think that does it. It's about fairness.

You could ask why they separate competitors in contact sports like boxing by weight - same difference. In that case, of course, smaller, lighter men are not required to compete against larger, stronger men against whom they would have no chance of winning. Oddly, nobody seems to be trying to undermine that system, even though big men of moderate ability are excluded from competing in the groups where they might do best.

Would it be reported as a man though? Think of the news coverage attack on a man in a subway station by 'women in dresses' (as it was reported). Not one newspaper I saw pointed out the obvious fact that these were transwomen.

I wouldn't feel equipped to write to women's sporting organizations because I have always hated sport apart from equestrian events. But it would be good if women who are interested and knowledgeable wrote to these bodies.

I will try to write as I have DDs invested in this, plus have followed and championed women's sports for a number of years even though I don't do anything myself.

I think a lot of men who really love their sport and who value sporting behaviour will be outraged when they see men pushing women out of sport and, as we so often acknowledge, men's opinions are more valued.

Yes - agreed. Even if they don't care about women, men won't like the fact that (who they see as) other men are getting ahead in a sport by declaring themselves a woman.

I think the general public will only realise what the effects of self-id in sports actually means, when a man wins the Wimbledon's Ladies Championship.

Anyone remember the stories of 'Surly Shirley' back in 1976, she couldn't win in her swimming races at the Montreal Olympics because some of the East German & USSR women she competed against were part of a state sponsored doping programme and built like brick shithouses. Sadly we've been here before. I can't believe this is happening again & the sporting bodies don't intervene-it will be the end of womens sports.

I've mentioned before my DB1. He's never had any interest in politics of any type. Utterly apathetic But he's very keen on sport. He competed nationally and now coaches under 18s of both sexes, some to national level.

He surprised me last time we met up by knowing the name of the man who took the Canadian women's cycling medal. I was amazed. Cycling isn't even his sport.

Saw him last weekend and he's still incensed. He knows more about it now - obviously been doing some reading (which he hates).

I think a lot of men who really love their sport and who value sporting behaviour will be outraged when they see men pushing women out of sport and, as we so often acknowledge, men's opinions are more valued.

I wouldn't feel equipped to write to women's sporting organizations because I have always hated sport apart from equestrian events. But it would be good if women who are interested and knowledgeable wrote to these bodies. It seems a lot of these TRA gains are partly because bodies, councils, etc simply don't think about the effects on women and girls. The more we speak the better.

AND - the financial rewards available for a world-class gold medallist are enormous.

^^ Yes! Now there are increasing numbers of sports championships in senior age categories (I mean 40+ - 90+) the lesser awards and rewards are valuable because at the moment new world records are being set all the time.

It would be unbelievably easy for older men to Self-ID and blow away the current women's world records. Oddly enough, the accelerated decline of muscle mass, and fragility of bones, compared to men, means that women's performance in some of the very senior age groups could easily be obliterated.

AND - the financial rewards available for a world-class gold medallist are enormous.

I can foresee a number of men going the self-id route for this.

Women in Sports (I think) which is involved with research and campaigns to get more women participating in sports. Now that self_id is being pushed through, it would be pertinent to ask them the question of which women they are referring to when they write about women.

Blimey, unless we all turn into modern day Mrs Jellabys with our nonstop letter writing (nothing but love for you, Dickens) we need the women's organisations to assert themselves and anticipate these issues and publicise the 'unintended consequences'.

It’s because they are utterly obsessed and will do ANYTHING to win at their sport.

^^ To succeed at high level in sport, your dedication and drive to win places you south of what would be normal for many people. Look at all the drugs scandals and the attempts to stay ahead of the testing technology. Why go through all that when it's as simple as Self-ID?

I keep coming back to the key question: why do we segregate/separate the sexes for sports in the first place?

We need to keep asking that question - because it provides the key answer needed for why transwomen cannot be allowed to enter women's events.