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Explaining gender vs sex to dd

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PetraDelphiki · 12/09/2018 09:04

Can anyone help me come up with a good way of explaining gender to dd (11)? Sex is easy but I’m getting her more confused when I try gender!

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lottiegarbanzo · 12/09/2018 09:48

There is a potential source of confusion in that scientists, including biologists, often use gender when they mean sex. They use the words interchangeably but mean sex. Which does make sense in that gender is a social construct, so outside the area of interest of the natural sciences. So you'll find biology papers talking about the gender of fruit flies for example.

I haven't looked at this closely enough to join all the dots but suspect this is where the confusion about being 'assigned a gender at birth' comes from. Medicinal science has used the word gender interchangeably with sex, to mean sex. So, 'sex is observed at birth' has been misconstrued as 'gender assigned'. (I think the word assigned may come from rare intersex cases, where one or other sex is assigned for convenience).

My basic non-academic understanding of gender has always been that it is a social construct and some sort of relationship between what is going on in people's heads and the society they live in. So it involves identifying oneself with a sub-set of behaviours and appearances one prefers. Rather like becoming a goth.

Further potential for confusion abounds in the overlap between gender and sexuality.

Nicknamesalltaken · 12/09/2018 09:40

Might be worth you downloading the Transgender Trend resource pack? Only had a quick look and not read it fully myself, but it might be useful to you?

PetraDelphiki · 12/09/2018 09:38

And a resource pack/ website would be fab....

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PetraDelphiki · 12/09/2018 09:37

silent yes the biology is the easy bit to explain - dd is very clear that it doesn’t matter what you look like and what operations you have etc you are either xx or xy in every cell in your body (yes I know intersex etc but they are disorders)...

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Bluecloudyskies · 12/09/2018 09:37

Maybe we need some kind of resource pack or website to help explain

Great idea

PetraDelphiki · 12/09/2018 09:34

We started by me correcting her use of gender when she meant sex and went (mostly downhill) from there!!

I think talking about gender as sex role stereotypes is a good start - she’s already very clear that you can be a girl in trousers with short hair who likes martial arts and computer games and not feel any need to be a boy!

elle while I do completely agree with you gender (and the confusion between it and sex) is something she is going to come across so I really do need to find a way for her to understand what people mean by gender...

This is all in preparation for about 3 years time when she will get the talk at school from gendered intelligence (yes really)...I want her to be properly ready to rebut the girl/boy brain born in the wrong body stuff!!

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silentcrow · 12/09/2018 09:32

I think I've done this reasonably successfully with my 12yo by going down the biology first route - chromosomes, gamete production, body parts. That gets the idea of sex firmly ingrained (to the point that she laughed her head off when I told her some people believe they can change sex and hormones make you grow a uterus, so, job done). I am really confident with the science and she knows biology is my background, which helps.

Gender is more difficult; I called it "a set of ideas about how the sexes are supposed to act, feel and wear. Took it to the extreme - gender says all girls should wear frills, high heels, be sweet and be crap at maths, bpys should be tough, etc - and she got it straightaway with a snort and "well, that's a load of rubbish, isn't it". TBF I have always spent time busting princess myths and encouraging all the ways of being, from make-up to martial arts, and she has a lot of good role models. So perhaps it's easier for me, I don't know.

Maybe we need some kind of resource pack or website to help explain.

Ereshkigal · 12/09/2018 09:22

Do you mean sex role stereotypes? Say that some people think women and men should behave in particular ways, but that that isn't true and it's fine for a man to do X and a woman Y.

Ellemenop · 12/09/2018 09:07

Honestly i don't understand what people see gender as, surely if you can like whatever you want to like regardless of your sex then gender isn't really a thing?

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