The term "men in dresses"

How is it that trans activists (nearly?) always fail to see that the issue is the exclusion of transwomen, particularly those with penises, going along with the inclusion of transmen? It's not that difficult to comprehend surely?

I honestly don't care if you want to call people draft excluders. It's gone from transphobes, bigots, terfs, anti trans activists to excluders.

No one cares. Because every time you say those words people just hear obey my demands.

How is a working woman vs a non working woman being either a work wife or a housewife at all similar to a man in a dress being a man in a dress?

I mean the woman may not be married, or may be widowed. Or did you mean work-woman and house-woman? If so that would be an accurate if not deep description.

Words matter you see.

You don't think you're trans excluders? I think it's a fairly accurate term, given the tone of these threads. You want to exclude trans people from your spaces. You are excluders.

Nope. I want to include transmen. And exclude men. I don't care if they are trans or not.

But you are allowing the words the acronym stands for? Trans Excluders? Is that somehow different?

I think the difference is that it's identifying it as a separate set of values from radical feminism and therefore avoiding conflating the two as being inherently linked.

You want to exclude trans people from your spaces. You are excluders.

We want to exclude men from our (women's) spaces. We are male excluders. Whether the men identify as trans or not is irrelevant.

MNHQ used to delete goady fuckers.
Now they are allowed to goad, troll, screengrab, PLANT posts as transphobic evidence, and we are told
not to call them out as trolls (no troll hunting)
Not to warn others of a trap thread
Not to respond with humour giving others a heads up
I think we're supposed to just sit down and take it.

MNHQ

An OP coming to the feminist section to call us 'trans excluders' is simply goady. You've banned the acronym
Trans
Excluding
Radical
Feminist

But you are allowing the words the acronym stands for? Trans Excluders? Is that somehow different?

How many times are feminists going to have to keep knocking back these shitty and untrue slurs?

There have been at least two posts from TRAs this week comparing feminists to Nazis and suggesting we want to recreate the Holocaust. Screenshots on twitter as if they were from feminists here rather than planted by the TRAs themselves.

Please work with us here a little bit MNHQ.

You don't think you're trans excluders? I think it's a fairly accurate term, given the tone of these threads. You want to exclude trans people from your spaces. You are excluders. I think you're being snowflakes finding such a term provocative when you're prepared to make the lives of trans people harder for the sake of accuracy.

Factual terms can be provocative. They can be pejorative and hurtful to the point that the accuracy is lost and an insult remains. Feminists have made words their bread and butter and rightly so. But don't now pretend that there is nothing more to language than accuracy. Otherwise you will have nothing to come back with when men distinguish between working and non-working women as work wives and housewives!

Feminists equalling "women making a fuss" would be a fucking cake walk in comparison to the endless boring trolling of this forum by dullard men.

I'll even make a badge if it means that stupid men who believe in the superiority of their opinions based purely on their presence of a set of testicles of objectivity would just piss off. I honestly doubt I will ever have to find my badge making kit for this though.

Fairenuff, the aim is the same: to prevent a discussion, the exact methods and their severity might vary. Hence why I said 'similar' and not [the] 'same'.

Y'all rang?

If I'm forced to identify as anything, I would like to id as a woman making a fuss.

Feminists = women making a fuss.

Sure, why not?

Yep. Threats to rape, stab, burn and dox.

That's totally the same as discussing breakfast.

Sorry to derail now, but talking of WBH... ds1 informed me this morning "I've only eaten half of my weetabix, I think the milk is off"
[boak] ffs why have you eaten half then, you bloody doughnut!!

That is horror. Banana mush would be heaven in comparison!

Thank you MNHQ for taking the sensible route. If you don't like a topic, it's the easiest thing in the world to just ignore it and not reply. Flooding a thread with deliberately disruptive nonsense is effectively similar to the no-platforming facing many GC feminists.

I love you lang

I agree nauticant

I just wonder where is all went wrong at MNHQ

Bet it was bloody lang with her weetabix shite

Also Yy to the thread randomly being deleted in three weeks time. Plus ça change...

"People wouldn't risk violence, bullying, limited career options, murder, antagonism, social exclusion, family exclusion, mental health illness, and even suicide just because they woke up one day and wanted to don a pretty frock!"

...we're getting back into trans-goth territory here aren't we...?

I never thought I'd see the day when MNHQ would show itself to be avocado exclusionary.

WAIT...THEY DELATED AVOCADO ON TOAST RECIPES

Good god what is the world coming to

Cereals...fair enough. Avocado toast? No

"women making a fuss"?

Don't you mean "non-men"?

The OP was offensive and goady.

Agreed.

MNHQ have derailed this thread more than anyone talking about avocado on toast.

Agreed. It was very poor judgement by the mod.