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The term "men in dresses"

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AuntMsVanillaRose · 12/09/2018 08:22

Trans-excluders like to say that they're absolutely fine with boys who don't fit in with gender stereotypes. And I, not one of you, am fine with children not fitting gender stereotypes. But I don't think that is true of all of you. Why is "man in a dress" used as an insult by so many of you?

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ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 12/09/2018 08:44

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Datun · 12/09/2018 08:41

And I, not one of you, am fine with children not fitting gender stereotypes.

"Except you do - otherwise you wouldn't think that a man who acts like a stereotypical woman is actually a woman."

And that dresses are insulting on a man.

senua · 12/09/2018 08:39

Men in dresses isn't an insult, it's a description.

This.
Pure, simple fact. And no cognitive dissonance.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 12/09/2018 08:39

‘Men in dresses’ is a factual description not an insult. It’s no different to saying ‘women in trousers’. The only way it could be seen as an insult is if you think there is something wrong with a man wearing a dress.

GulagMilkMonitor · 12/09/2018 08:39

I have not one single problem with a man wearing a dress. It is simply a garment. I choose to wear dresses more often than not and I can imagine as a man on a hot day it would be quite lovely to wear a dress. I don’t really give a shit what people wear, apart from when my DH wears his the greasy clothes he has worn to mend his bike, at the dinner table.

I do however take issue with people adopting a stereotypical pattern of dress and through that co-opting the oppression I face purely because of my sex.

bakingdemon · 12/09/2018 08:39

Take Eddie Izzard and Grayson Perry. They are men who wear dresses sometimes. Because they like them. Because dresses are great. But they are not women and they don't claim to be women. They are men in dresses.

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LangCleg · 12/09/2018 08:39

Guess what? I didn't have any WBH! Scrambled egg on toast for me.

(OP: the answer to your question is the 8th rule of misogyny. HTH.)

AspieAndProud · 12/09/2018 08:37

And I, not one of you, am fine with children not fitting gender stereotypes.

Except you do - otherwise you wouldn't think that a man who acts like a stereotypical woman is actually a woman.

TerfsUp · 12/09/2018 08:37

"Men in dresses" is factual.

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McTufty · 12/09/2018 08:36

I’m gender critical but I don’t like the term “men in dresses” because it is dismissive of those who are genuinely gender dysphoric.

LemonJello · 12/09/2018 08:36

Men in dresses is a factual description, not an insult.

Maybe you want to think about why you find it insulting? Perhaps you might be less comfortable with gender non conformity than you think? Self reflection is always useful Smile

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Datun · 12/09/2018 08:32

Men in dresses isn't an insult, it's a description.

MiniTheMinx · 12/09/2018 08:31

I don't use it as an insult. I'm stating a fact or describing an empirical fact. There are 'men in dtesses' I've seen them.

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nonplussedinouterspace · 12/09/2018 08:30

Reported you too cheese.

It's really quite 1984 the way you try to silence reasonable discussion. But you won't get away with it on a public forum.

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