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Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.

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DJLippy · 11/09/2018 15:21

I have no words
twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/1039305017860259840

It's not the original comment that affects me it's the comments section. I thought female erasure was a metaphor - not literal reality.

To think these campaigners are driving public policy. The comments section is truly terrifying.

If you LM blocked you see this

twitter.com/weseeyou12/status/1039512887578906624

Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.
Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.
Lily Madigan again. UK Woman's Officer thinks transwomen can get pregnant now.
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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 11/09/2018 15:51

This is what comes of spending a developmentally sensitive period like adolescence constantly plugged into the internet with a choice of avatars to (virtual) hand. The poor sods haven't noticed they're actually made of real tissue and stuff.

stillathing · 11/09/2018 15:51

How will they know which women have wombs though? In all seriousness?

GulagMilkMonitor · 11/09/2018 15:51

Mental health reasons for a CS are technically not recognised by the NHS. They are lumped in with 'maternal request' with no specific category for mental health which is leading to women being denied a CS for mental health reasons in certain parts of the country.

Exactly.
If women are being denied CS, why then should a trans woman get one as matter of course?

You can bet your bottom dollar no male bodied person will have major surgery, tend to an infant with minimal pain relief, schlep across the ward for some hospital food and deal with the indignity of a post natal ward.

I had a home birth last week purely because I was assaulted by a male visitor on the ward when I had my last DC. Fuck this shit.

Not that it could ever happen.

LangCleg · 11/09/2018 15:50

(to be clear - I know it's not possible, but even if it were, we shouldn't do it - growing babies in pods is preferable to attempting to grow one in a transplanted womb in a man's body surely)

And more to the point, we are nowhere near being able to replicate (and manipulate) the artificial hormone environment required for an external pod to gestate a foetus. Decades upon decades away.

And even if we could do this now, translating it to the environment of a hostile male body is never going to happen. You'd have to disrupt all the careful balancing you'd already worked out. And even if some maniac billionaire could find doctors depraved enough to try it, they still wouldn't be able to.

Noqont · 11/09/2018 15:50

Am sure women will be queuing up round the block to donate their wombs to the menz. Or maybe the next move will be sneaking it through the organ donation register.....

RedToothBrush · 11/09/2018 15:50

Where do you start with these people though?

Send them to an oh so progressive and luxurious reeducation camp?
(yes I went there. This is exceeding black satire for the avoidance of doubt)

VickyEadie · 11/09/2018 15:49

Madigan never talks about that how hard it’s for women to go to college as child care so expensive

Never ever talks about the actual stuff that affects women

You need to have direct experience of these things to have a bit of an opinion on them - and be a bit older than 20. And not be a narcissistic, self-obsessed misogynist.

littlbrowndog · 11/09/2018 15:45

Madigan never talks about that how hard it’s for women to go to college as child care so expensive

Never ever talks about the actual stuff that affects women

Pffft

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 11/09/2018 15:44

Where do you start with these people though?

GulagMilkMonitor · 11/09/2018 15:43

Mentioning specifically: blood type, tissue match, rejection, anti rejection drugs +foetus, problems with limited availability of organs for certain ethnic groups, co-morbid health issues which mean someone is an unsuitable candidate for surgery, cost

Well yes but would they accept it? Because science = hurty feelings.
They haven’t a clue how complicated the processes of pregnancy are. The female body doesn’t just contain a carrier bag for a baby to chill out in.

RedToothBrush · 11/09/2018 15:43

Who then pays for fertility treatment and last but not least who is paying for the caesarean?

Mental health reasons for a CS are technically not recognised by the NHS. They are lumped in with 'maternal request' with no specific category for mental health which is leading to women being denied a CS for mental health reasons in certain parts of the country.

This does at least, rule out - if you don't let me have a trans baby on the NHS I'll kill myself types at least.

numberseven · 11/09/2018 15:42

Male bodies don't have the space, the "plumbing" or the proper blood vessels etc. This is science fiction.

littlbrowndog · 11/09/2018 15:42

Could go in their heads cos there space ther3 as brains are missing

littlbrowndog · 11/09/2018 15:41

Fecking stupid LIGHTWEIGHT arses

Trinity1976 · 11/09/2018 15:41

"Biologically speaking- do men have space in their bodies for a womb?"

I was mulling over this one over lunch. My anatomy may be a bit shaky but presumably if you want to whack a womb into a man, then something else would have to give.

littlbrowndog · 11/09/2018 15:40

Ffs arses without a clue how real lif3 works FFS

FanWithoutAGuard · 11/09/2018 15:40

(to be clear - I know it's not possible, but even if it were, we shouldn't do it - growing babies in pods is preferable to attempting to grow one in a transplanted womb in a man's body surely)

littlbrowndog · 11/09/2018 15:39

Och they just spouting shite to each other tbh
Completely away with the fairies

They should get jobs then try to afford child care for the mythical babies

FanWithoutAGuard · 11/09/2018 15:39

The ethical issues with experimenting on babies this way just don't bear thinking about.

RedToothBrush · 11/09/2018 15:38

Can someone tell the 'I'll swop' muppets about how organ donation works?

Mentioning specifically: blood type, tissue match, rejection, anti rejection drugs +foetus, problems with limited availability of organs for certain ethnic groups, co-morbid health issues which mean someone is an unsuitable candidate for surgery, cost

Y'know the usual thing called 'reality'.

VickyEadie · 11/09/2018 15:36

I know (comparatively) bod-all about the biology of pregnancy beyond the obvious and have never been pregnant. I strongly suspect, however, that physiologically, endocrinologically, hormonally-speaking a male body - even if popping some extra hormones - couldn't produce the biological responses that a female body does when it knows it's pregnant.

GulagMilkMonitor · 11/09/2018 15:35

I should add that my sister who can’t get IVF - she had a miscarriage and her “non-binary” friend said the most wicked thing I have ever heard anyone say in all my life.

GulagMilkMonitor · 11/09/2018 15:33
  1. Nope, not possible.
  1. Where are they getting the organ from?
  1. If they, like many trans people, suggest SRS is too invasive, how exactly would surgery to add an unnecessary organ be fine?
  1. If this were possible (it isn’t), how are they suggesting this is funded? Who pays for the uterus to be removed from a woman and placed into a male body? Who then pays for fertility treatment and last but not least who is paying for the caesarean?
My sister can’t even get one round of IVF on the NHS because she has a step child and my cousin can’t get sterilised despite her begging for 10 years.
littlbrowndog · 11/09/2018 15:32

Is that somebody in a Mac ?

seafret · 11/09/2018 15:30

Wow. MH MH MH.

Why are they calling transmen transmascs? Transwomen are not transfeminines. Why the difference/ distinction?

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