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"After some very moving contributions, TUC unanimously supports gender self-declaration"

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R0wantrees · 11/09/2018 14:45

Comment by Ian Murch, Treasurer at National Union Of Teachers section of National Education Union

twitter.com/ianmurch/status/1039470003920293888

Lucy Masood:
"Proud of the FBU and PaulEmbery for ensuring that we did not vote to support the GRA Self ID resolution at the TUC today. The FBU cares and listens to its female members"

twitter.com/luluchops1/status/1039475527139164160

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arranfan · 11/09/2018 20:54

Turph wrote: It's has not been broadcasted the way you'd expect an "Equalities" motion to have been

Thanks for the clarification.

Again, I have to ask, where is the procedural justice with transparency and accountability built-in to the union's governance?

Juells · 11/09/2018 20:43

littlbrowndog

Never trusted them anyroads. Run by men for men

Says it all.

Turph · 11/09/2018 20:29

It will be interesting to see how many members leave over this. Probably very few. My experience, fwiw, is that people join a union for local issues (pay talks, representation etc) not their political stance. Hence why bringing it up in branch meetings would be so powerful

Turph · 11/09/2018 20:26

arranfan
Sorry was watching that Parker rant vid. My point was that the rank and file not at conference will be getting a flurry of updates from their union about what is happening and what's been passed etc but nothing on this. It's has not been broadcasted the way you'd expect an "Equalities" motion to have been

Ereshkigal · 11/09/2018 20:15

educating children about sex and gender through studying clown fish (I kid you not)

FFS. I bet that's inspired by that brain dead "science teacher" viral FB post.

boatyardblues · 11/09/2018 20:02

I was considering rejoining my union on the off chance that I needed support in a disciplinary case for wrong think, depending how far down the rabbit hole we descend with this. There doesn't seem to be any point if they've all the unions have already drunk the potion and pulled up a chair with the Mad Hatter.

I've had a substantial dinner and cake, so I'm a marginally less furious than I was when I got home from work because I've excluded hangry from the equation. But I am still fucking livid. I thought I'd hit rock bottom about 6 months post-Trump when I was still festering about Brexit, but I had no idea how much lower I could go. Society just does not give a shit about women. I had a good rant about it earlier to DH and he said he was also appalled. I am only relieved at this point that I don't have daughters because otherwise I don't think I'd sleep at night, but I do have a niece and I care very much about the young women and girls coming up behind me. This erosion of women's rights has to stop.

GenderApostate · 11/09/2018 19:56

The teaching unions are cutting their own throats - don’t they remember Roy Moore? Unfortunately Roy is no longer on twitter, he used to be RoyNUT but I can’t find him.
Are they now going to let teachers be sacked for misgendering rather than defending them?
Just when we think we are getting somewhere, it’s one step forward, two back 😡

Terrifiedandregretful · 11/09/2018 19:51

Kiri Tunks spoke against this at the NUT/NEU conference but lost the debate, the NEU came out as fully in favour of self Id. Kiri Has not been no-platform Ed or excluded for her views, so they are not as intolerant as some, but there was a ‘silent protest’ against her being voted president. She is active in a Woman’s Place.

I recently applied to review NUT approved PSHE material so whuch included the gender unicorn and educating children about sex and gender through studying clown fish (I kid you not). I doubt I’ll be invited on to the committee after what I put on the application form...

I wonder if we could form a specific teachers group to fight this in schools? My school is luckily pretty same on this but I am so worried. I gave my Head and PSHE lead the transgender trend schools pack but feel so impotent now.

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 11/09/2018 19:51

It will be interesting to see how many members leave over this.

placemats · 11/09/2018 19:50

Money talks.

I'm walking with my money.

I can always rejoin.

WarmWishes · 11/09/2018 19:48

I am not in a union as self employed but it might be best to keep hold of membership and make a massive noise than just leave. I did suggest leaving in a different post but it was a bit knee jerk. Can't change things on the outside.

arranfan · 11/09/2018 19:47

Nothing on Unison either. So the big two haven't even admitted they've passed this stupid motion

Turph - it's my impression from the tweet I linked above that UNISON spoke in favour and voted that way (but that might not be what you mean if you're looking for confirmation from a non-individual's Unison account). See support for this interpretation from the congratulations of a "Nurse Specialist in the NHS; NEC of unisontweets; Exec of LGBTLabour; Founder of LabourCID":

twitter.com/JamesAnthonyRN/status/1039479614563860480

It will be interesting to see if any union joined FBU in abstaining.

Turph · 11/09/2018 19:42

I think this is exactly the kind of thing that needs to go to branch. If you're in a union put this on the branch agenda and explain what is going on. Ask your union to explain why the TUC alphabet crew can propose a motion like this that hasn't been discussed. Was it just a giant game of chicken, and everyone assumed they had to vote Yes and that's what everyone else is doing? Or did they just get a few sob stories and decide on the day?
Regardless of the topic, this is entirely undemocratic. 20% of the population support self-id. No reason to believe union members' percentage would be higher. Members don't know what this is about. The TUC alphabet crew - do they only talk to the individual unions' alphabet crews or do they not even consult them?
What percentage of the alphabet crews are covered by the umbrella? Bearing in mind the York LGBT lot who did the plaque were majority trans...

Turph · 11/09/2018 19:33

The agenda also suggests the motion was put forward by the TUC alphabet group rather than proposed by an actual union. It's the woke leading the woke. No way would this crap pass at branch level in any union.

Turph · 11/09/2018 19:31

Nothing on Unison either. So the big two haven't even admitted they've passed this stupid motion

Spindelina · 11/09/2018 19:31

Last I read, McCluskey was pro dialogue, no?

placemats · 11/09/2018 19:31

How can the head of a Teacher's Union say this? Is there no regard for safeguarding? A few moving stories?

Already in the last 7 days there has been an announcement from the transport police in Manchester regarding false accusations/stories about razors behind stickers and the waste of police time.

The LGBTQ+ in Goldsmiths has been suspended following offensive tweets re the Gulag and made up 'stories' about the history of the Gulags in the USSR under Stalin.

I've cancelled my Unison membership.

Turph · 11/09/2018 19:30

Can't see it mentioned on Unite's twitter

Turph · 11/09/2018 19:27

Comments on my Union's Twitter account are 100% negative so far.
Just going to check the big two

2rebecca · 11/09/2018 19:26

Glad the BMA is not affiliated to the TUC. Will try and get myself as a rep at the next BMA conference to vote against any motions like this. Have already told the BMJ editor I was unimpressed with their pieces on legalising prostitution and transgender issues

HawkeyeInConfusion · 11/09/2018 19:20

FFS Angry

Turph · 11/09/2018 19:19

This is infuriating. Just disgusting. I can't believe the TUC has decided we no longer have a right to exist.

WarmWishes · 11/09/2018 19:18

Endo yes it will effect school in that way. Transwomen pe teacher or transgirls can enter changing rooms with kids. Could be an issue on trips. Everything you can imagine.

Melanippe · 11/09/2018 19:17

What a shitshow. What an absolute shower of bastards.

WarmWishes · 11/09/2018 19:15

Turph yes typo. I meant to do a double negative!! I mean most transwomen DO keep their cocks!!