"After some very moving contributions, TUC unanimously supports gender self-declaration"

I do appreciate the info about the Unison WO, I had actually looked it up on line before I called. My point was that their help line didn’t know it, or that the post actually existed. I agree that we will be taken more seriously by staying in the Unions, but I was so angry that I had to do something immediate.

It is no good the TUC being a year behind the conversations taking place now, we needed a big gesture with 5 weeks to go before the end of the consultation, and they have fucked that up good and proper.

Can you tell I am still angry? 🤣

So not "unanimous" at all then.

@River

Info up thread

Stay in your union until you've done the following:

1. Contact your union and ask

1. Mark your emails for attention General Secretary & Women’s Officer - use their names if you have them.
2. Cc to your local/regional rep or office and make it clear you are expecting a reply.
3. Follow up in 7 days.
4. Please send WPUK any responses

Find your union: www.tuc.org.uk/unions

There will be more information to follow......

The National Union of Journalists abstained, I've heard.

Thank you NUJ!

I’m getting it from union GC women that we need to remain union members, get in touch with them if they voted for this and register your views with them. I think WPUK have information on doing this. From what I understand the TUC are about a year behind with their motions so they’re not reflected the conversations that are going on now on the unions.

I've just emailed UCU and asked to end my membership. I'll be making it clear why, the miserable fuckers. How dare they? How DARE they? They're supposed to pretend to represent us. I bet women in academia would have had some extremely clear cut responses so they didn't dare.

Oh, that is good news as I’m about to rejoin the NUJ. Phew!

Well done NUJ and FBU!

The National Union of Journalists abstained, I've heard.

So not so unanimous after all.

Unison seems to be in the position that not all have women's officers in local branches but advise you to speak to your equalities officer - who may well have a different agenda (e.g., the UNISON speaker who spoke in support of this yesterday).

Regional contacts for women's officers

www.unison.org.uk/about/what-we-do/fairness-equality/women/group-structure-and-contacts/

Is there any chance that Sharon Greene who is listed is the overall Women's Officer? As recently as 2015/6 she is referred to as such:

www.lrdpublications.org.uk/printarticle.php?pub=LR&iss=1812&id=idp184832

Sharon Greene
UNISON Centre
130 Euston Road
London
NW1 2AY
[email protected]

Twitter for UNISON national women's officer (which might be her)

twitter.com/unisonnwo?lang=en

Imprecis it looks like it would be Sharon Greene details on the bottom of this page.

www.unison.org.uk/about/what-we-do/fairness-equality/women/

Cancelled my Unison membership. Asked for the contact details of their Woman’s Officer, their helpline didn’t even know such a post existed. This is a Union who’s membership is 2/3 female, that’s nearly a million female members.
They did give me a phone number of their membership participation unit, which went straight to ansaphone, with a message saying the person on this number is out of the office.

Reposting. You will have more impact if you stay in the union until such time as you have received a satisfactory answer.

*There are some good instructions from WPUK

1. Contact your union and ask

1. Mark your emails for attention General Secretary & Women’s Officer - use their names if you have them.
2. Cc to your local/regional rep or office and make it clear you are expecting a reply.
3. Follow up in 7 days.
4. Please send WPUK any responses*

Find your union: www.tuc.org.uk/unions

The email for @unitetheunion is missing from the TUC link. Their own website says to use this email executive.council @ unitetheunion. org

I have cancelled my membership and have let them know why, cc women’s officer and general exec email.

I can see the argument of ‘better in than out’, but I think not sending them £15 a month and letting them know their treatment of women is the only reason, is the strongest statement I can make.

relurks

I'm not in an affected union - is this definitely not something that would interest people in AIBU or Chat if an affected person raised a thread and detailed the response so far?

And maybe put in WPUK's advice (upthread)?

Well done Trinity it's vital we complain en masse. If complaints are received in volume then we are harder to ignore.

Unite have responded to me via Facebook with a reply which implies that they didn't consult at all. I will follow it up with something formal, as the admin person manning the social media channel may not be that well informed.

Ohbuggerandarse sending you lots of strength and power. I hope you find your nerve for the meeting. It's totally understandable but it is honestly, perfectly possible to discuss your concerns without discussing trans. It is entirely reasonable to discuss your concerns and fears about using facilities with anyone who isn't biologically female and your right to feeling safe at work.

Thanks OtherPam

Does anyone knows who it is best to address such a letter?

There are instructions (above) from WPUK in my post. Write to the General Secretary and the Women's Officer. Use their names. Copy in your local/regional branch office.

DH is a member of the NEU (was ATL). I'll let him know and he will write to express his disagreement. Does anyone knows who it is best to address such a letter?

ASLEF, you say?!? Curiouser and curiouser.

See this interesting thread about the fake H&S notice supposedly released to train companies about stickers and razor blades - the one that was investigated by mrkhtake2 and discovered to be bogus.

Then what looks like an internal train safety notice is sent to a news desk, confirmed, then mysteriously deleted by TRA Lee James, the Equalities Advisor for Train Drivers Union ASLEF. Either someone deliberately added a hoax to an internal circular OR it is forged. Both bad.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1039463478535364610.html

There are some good instructions from WPUK

1. Contact your union and ask

1. Mark your emails for attention General Secretary & Women’s Officer - use their names if you have them.
2. Cc to your local/regional rep or office and make it clear you are expecting a reply.
3. Follow up in 7 days.
4. Please send WPUK any responses.

Find your union: www.tuc.org.uk/unions

The email for @unitetheunion is missing from the TUC link. Their own website says to use this email executive.council*@unitetheunion*.org

Kathleen Stock wrote:

Stop telling us you've reached your position via 'consultation' when in fact you mean Gender Studies academics or trans activists, both of whom assume (ludicrously) there's no such thing as biological sex and so no such thing as sex-based oppression. You know that's nonsense.

From: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3353260-Kathleen-Stock-womens-organisations-have-decentred-biological-females

Unite have responded to me confirming they voted for the motion. I have replied asking them if they consulted with their members, as I did not recall receiving anything.