"After some very moving contributions, TUC unanimously supports gender self-declaration"

I suppose in the current climate of fear I should be grateful that my union actually had the guts to abstain (NUJ).

twitter.com/geomr/status/1040898612404908037?s=21

It may be worthwhile to put forward some questions for the NEU General Secretary.

Unite wrote this fabulous guide to women's health and safety at work (pdf), based on our sexed differences. If TWAW, those sexed differences aren't a "woman" thing any more and the guide becomes invalid.

My union, Unite, do not have women's officers

That reminds me of the Green Party. We used to produce a Manifesto for Women for General elections. Suddenly, it said: Manifesto for Gender Equality .

My union, Unite, do not have women's officers. They have "equalities officers". I did not realise this and I am livid.

www.unitetheunion.org/unite-at-work/equalities/equalitiessectors/women/

Agree those three unions abstaining was significant.

I found the constant reference to non binary extremely troubling.

Me too. It didn't sound in the least sincere. It sounded like all those women these unions wheeled out on this issue were speaking from the same Stonewall script.

Wow.

Considering it’s ed psychs who are tasked with diagnosing special educational needs, such as autistic spectrum disorder, that’s three really meaningful abstinations.

(Firefighters live communally while on shift, so of course understand that women need seperate changing and sleeping areas, and journalists are supposed to be upholders of truth)

From WPUK.

News

The Association of Educational Psychologists abstained.

The thing about those speeches is that if you were ill informed and also not capable of critical thinking or otherwise disinterested, then you would be easily persuaded. On the surface everything looks lovely and fine and emotionally they appear very persuasive.

I found the constant reference to non binary extremely troubling.

Did anyone catch on to what extra facilities are being suggested for transmen? I'm not sure what is being implied with that but assuming it is a push for private toilets/changing rooms, is it not a contradiction? Hasn't a transman magically self id'd out of oppression, so why would they need any extra facilities if transmen are men?

I'm not a member of any union so is there any point in emailing/complaining about this issue? Would it just be ignored?

The hate speech leaflets referred to in that speech are the FairPlay for women leaflets.

Lisa Muggeridge is right, we’ve got a bunch of Pomo addled elite pretenders making decisions supposedly on our behalf but the consequences of those decisions won’t ever affect them, only us.

This.

I heard Unison tried to remove the reserved BME man’s seat on the exec recently - it was challenged (black men are under represented in British unions, despite being over represented in low paid, high risk jobs) and they capitulated.

People at the top of these institutions haven’t got a clue about the lives of the people they are supposed to be advocating for.

Lisa Muggeridge is right, we’ve got a bunch of Pomo addled elite pretenders making decisions supposedly on our behalf but the consequences of those decisions won’t ever affect them, only us.

This makes me SO angry.

Why are all safeguarding principles being ripped up in favour of letting men who utter the magic words "I'm female (for an hour or so now)" do anythign they want?

ALL women I know have had MULTIPLE experiences with creepy men, starting from around age 12. Sexually predatory men who target girls are EXTREMELY COMMON.

ONE predatory peadophile / sex offender getting access to these places could attack multiple children / women.

That's how they work.

There was that very young guy who worked as a charity worker, took up overseas posts etc in order to abuse children. That is a lot of effort.

The idea that predatory men will not jump at this opportunity is nuts.

They already are.

Sex offences shoot up in mixed changing villages

Note these are facilities WITH CUBICLES, not commual changing which is more common for orgs like swim england (often clubs lessons etc are at schools), BG ditto.

"MsDemocracy wrote: Here it is in black and white, point 6.5. unisontweets told WomenEqualities it should remove women and girls' legal rights to single sex services. It said service providers should no longer be allowed sex exemptions when 'judged to be proportionate' (the tweet gives the link but it won't work here so I've put the link below)"

Fucking fucking fucking hell.

So they want there to be NO situation in the entire world where any man who says" I'm female" should not be allowed in with the women / girls.

At least they're in line with teh girl guides, swim england, british gymnastics etc.

For sure it's highly bigoted to keep men out of places where female children are getting undressed / sleeping.

These policies were put in place by the first place by evil man hating lesbians who were hell bent on spoiling men's fun with children. Thank god it's all being rolled back now.

In other news:
Women no longer allowed to have a cunty person do their smear or other intimite procedures, elderly women cannot have cunty people do their care if they wish, prisons are to be mixed with the violent sex offenders being moved to the women's prisons first and given immediate access to the mother and baby units, and any teenage girl who wants to change for swimming needs to do so in front of a panel of wanking men.

Result: Women stop accessing services (saving teh govt money) start dying younger (savign teh govt money) stop accessing clubs, work, public facilities so much (leaving them open for men who are who they are intended for in the first place) stop accessing DV & rape support stuff (saving the govt and the police service money) and as a massive bonus men everywhere can get access to teenage girls gettign tehir kit off whenever they feel like it.

Hyperbole?

Not so much. We've had a rapist and paedophile be locked in with women on teh basis of self ID, and the women who he attacked were immediately accused of lying by trans advocates.
Girl guides states that there are no safeguarding issues with self ID as transgirls are girls so putting a teenage girl in a bedroom with one has no possible safeguarding issues
Swim England saying that teenage girls who are uncomfortable gettign naked in front of any man who says "I'm a woman" should be "re-educated"
A leading trans advocate is into wanking at bus stops and at work in an open plan office
Another leading trans advocate is the main person in teh UK who pushes for teh legalisation of extreme porn
Another leading trans advocate says girls should get tits early and suck cock
Another leading trans advcocate advises multiple orgs on allowing self ID transwomen in with the girls, including british gymnastics, they are very close to their dad who has just gone down for >20 years for child rape, the dad was involved in gymnastics clubs, they also both share a "furry" fetish
And so on and so forth

These are not people who should be advising on child safeguarding issues NOR paid attention to when they say that lettign men go anywhere they want will have no impact on women.

Just seen this while looking at Unison's submission to the Trans Inquiry:

Further, UNISON calls for the removal of the provision for a genuine occupational requirement that the person not be trans and for the introduction of the possibility of a genuine occupational requirement that the post-holder be a trans person, as exists other protected characteristics.

So they want it to be illegal to bar a male trans person from a role for a female? But they want certain trans only roles? (Something that I support) That's fair!

data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/transgender-equality/written/19481.html

Posted too soon before including first post in the 'action thread':

For all my union friends. Many unions will not have written a response to the GRA consultation. Please contact them and ask for a full consultation with all members before they do so.

You can express disappointment with their vote on motion 41/selfID. You can assert yourself as a stakeholder (female) and ask to know why you weren’t consulted on their position, when changes to gender recognition affect the legal status of ‘female’

and then there are more parts to the plan.

@SpannerInTheWorks - this is a helpful, detailed, action plan thread on what to do by Dr Fond of Beetles

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1040278590447910913

"Outside this very conference"! (More or less, paraphrasing).

And the MTF speaker for Unison mentioning the women handing out Fair Play leaflets as "leafleting anti trans hate"

Eye. Roll.

In fact all the talk about the exemptions is dishonest and transactivists will frequently go from saying that they exist so what are we worried about to saying they are impossible to use within a few words.