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Dr Nicola Williams on BBC2 at 10.15, Victoria Live

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PersistenceIsNotFutile · 10/09/2018 10:06

Twitter thread here: twitter.com/AskNic/status/1039073161252364288

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littlbrowndog · 10/09/2018 11:09

transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/30/tara-hudson/

theaveragewife · 10/09/2018 11:08

Tara also mouthed ‘fuck you’

Dr Nic was brilliant, calm and fantastic responses it would be impossible for any rational person to disagree with.

PencilsInSpace · 10/09/2018 11:07

Wow!

DrNic was excellent and what a splendid t-shirt Star

Tara ... said something like 'people like me who've had an operation' when it's common knowledge that Tara has (or at least had at the time Tara was in prison) a '7" surprise' Hmm

www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/playboy-tv-chat-glamour-model-6370355

This is the first time I've heard Tara refer to being raped. Previously Tara has referred to being groped. Any sexual assault is awful and no prisoner should be subjected to that.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/20/tara-hudson-transgender-prisoner-sues-government

And yes, Tara gave the middle finger at the end there, I think in response to Nic's suggestion that there should be separate trans wings.

littlbrowndog · 10/09/2018 11:06

Think it was 2016 rowan but not sure

BettyDuMonde · 10/09/2018 11:04

Tara Hudson has been interviewed extensively about being in a men’s prison and has never before claimed to have been raped?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/tara-hudson-the-harrowing-reality-of-being-a-trans-woman-in-an-a/

littlbrowndog · 10/09/2018 11:04

Yeps dr nice brought up another prisoner who is in the women’s jail for raping 2 children but I don’t recall name of the prisoner

FloralBunting · 10/09/2018 11:03

Yup. Women have sat through items like this and been shut down and had the item end with the last word given to a man. They've sat with dignity through, and maybe shook their head in disbelief at the bias.

This time, in an indefensible situation, the BBC has no choice but to cover it and it is quite obvious that Tara Hudson is going down the 'these are transfakers' route, but really doesn't get any point across, and Dr Nic does fabulously. So Tara loses their temper at the end of the brief session and flips their middle finger up.

Quite astonishingly revealing behaviour.

Great T-shirt, Dr Nic.

BettyDuMonde · 10/09/2018 11:02

That went well then, huh, BBC?

Dr Nicola Williams on BBC2 at 10.15, Victoria Live
FlowerpotFairyHouse · 10/09/2018 11:02

@littlbrowndog

I agree. I was actually quite heartened to hear Tara say that men should not be allowed to transition in prison etc.

But as soon as things weren't going Tara's way the mask slipped. That's how it looked to me and I won't be alone in that.

R0wantrees · 10/09/2018 11:02

Dr Nic WIlliams explains the policy change since 2006 which allows discretion for those without GRC to be moved.

littlbrowndog · 10/09/2018 11:02

So true flowerpot

littlbrowndog · 10/09/2018 11:02

Yeps but Tara went on ranty shouty outburst

FloralCup · 10/09/2018 11:01

Why was Tara in prison?

FlowerpotFairyHouse · 10/09/2018 11:01

Tara might have lived 'as a woman' her whole life but it just isn't quite enough to stop that maleness shining through, is it?

littlbrowndog · 10/09/2018 11:00

I think it was cos dr nice said that there should be a third space for someone like Tara so not recognising Tara as female

Though what Tara said was good about all sorts of ppl coming out of woodwork to get access to women

And Tara also said that men should not be allowed to transition in prison

R0wantrees · 10/09/2018 11:00

Melissa Briscoe describes White's long history of violent and sexual offences against both women and children.

kayaking · 10/09/2018 10:59

I think Tara flipped the finger because Tara got cut off mid rant.

MsBeee · 10/09/2018 10:59

Oh God, Tara was doing well, Own goal.

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Datun · 10/09/2018 10:59

That was excellent. Tara Hudson, outraged at being ignored, so flipping the bird to the entire country, was a gift of epic proportions.

Don't you ignore meee, I'll lose it.

They. Cannot. Help. Themselves.

JillyArmeeen · 10/09/2018 10:58

Tara showing her true colour there at the end, didn't like being cut off.
Victoria interrupted nic a few times. See the difference in reaction.
Tara if you don't want to end up in prison again, dont commit crime.
Prisons are segregated by sex not gender.

FloralBunting · 10/09/2018 10:57

Tara actually flipped her middle finger up because the section ended? Wowsers.

littlbrowndog · 10/09/2018 10:56

Omg did Tara just give middle finger ?

FlowerpotFairyHouse · 10/09/2018 10:55

Wow. Tara was doing so well.

To begin with...

Until the end...