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Sophie Walker's speech tweet

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SturdyEarMuffs · 09/09/2018 14:21

Is this a mast nailed, or more fudge (as someone has suggested in response to her tweet)?

Sophie Walker's speech tweet
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NothingOnTellyAgain · 09/09/2018 15:32

She says that sex and gender are different and then says she supports single sex spaces.

Wow she is going to get massive amounts of threats.

I am pleased to hear her say this though.
IF WEP seem to be getting better on this they can count on me to join.

tiredandweary · 09/09/2018 15:28

Another one who is cautiously optimistic. She wouldn't have dared to make that speech a few months ago. We really need to remember that every single political party and politician have been caught up with this nonsense and it is not going to be easy to turn it round.

Fortunately there seems to be a never ending stream of evidence to rebut the 'this never happens' and as the public are finally seeing the reality of where these policies have led us, the pressure for change is slowly growing.

RogerAllamsFangirl · 09/09/2018 15:23

Sorry. Just to say that if we all hang back waiting for WEP to do everything we want, particularly wrt the HBE debacle then we will not be able to make sure TRAs don't drive the agenda at WEP. Because they will commit like hell to this battle.

RogerAllamsFangirl · 09/09/2018 15:22

I agree. I am encouraged. This was Sophie slapping down the #nodebaters and I am starting to think WEP May offer something I can get behind.

Wanderabout · 09/09/2018 15:17

It's a politician saying that we need to discuss the impact on women if GRA proposals in a very difficult climate.

To be applauded in my opinion. Every comment like this helps open up the debate.

Whether someone in a local party thinks TWAW is neither hear nor there. There is obviously an active debate in the party.

Stickerladiesoftheworldunite · 09/09/2018 15:16

Cheryl Morgan (@CherylMorgan) Tweeted:
Pleased to report that @SophieRunning & I have won the first big vote of the day. We will not be railroaded into taking a vote on whether trans women are women. We will have discussions on trans issues respectfully, and with trans members involved. #WE2018 twitter.com/CherylMorgan/status/1038710275288064001?s=17

Those thanking "Cheryl" mainly identify as "they"

arranfan · 09/09/2018 15:13

One of the members representing a local group has already said TWAW

And, if the committees that are charged with making policy are predominantly weighted/committed/intimidated-by-WEP-culture-after-what-happened-to-Heather to state likewise and frame policy that way then what outcome can women expect.

Stickerladiesoftheworldunite · 09/09/2018 15:13

These are some Tweets I've seen so far

Sophie Walker's speech tweet
Stickerladiesoftheworldunite · 09/09/2018 15:08

One of the members representing a local group has already said TWAW (that rep is a TW).

Jamieandwordswo · 09/09/2018 15:08

Do they fight for single sex spaces? Have they dropped their policy of men sleeping overnight on maternity wards then?

Stickerladiesoftheworldunite · 09/09/2018 15:05

I asked her outright to define woman and does she believe TWAW? If she can't come out and say it then I can't join that party.

arranfan · 09/09/2018 15:03

I've lost track of whether WEP has a submission to make to the GRA consultation due in October?

JessicaJonesJacket · 09/09/2018 14:46

Ultimately I think it was a fudge that won't please anyone. I also note she said she didn't make the entire speech at the debate so I wonder what was cut. Because it's a speech that could appear very different depending on where it was edited . . . and if people were pleased with it in RL, they probably won't go on Twitter to pick up the more nuanced version.

MonotonousSeagull · 09/09/2018 14:42

That says nothing and everything.

Only one kind of woman is taught to ‘acquiesce to everyone else’s needs first’ and it’s not the trans kind. That she doesn’t acknowledge that shows that she no more believes TWAW than I do.

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