The Times investigation - paedophile in women's prison

I keep thinking of a R4 interview I heard some months back where the issue of transwomen in women's prisons came up. Jane Fay with that horrible affected breathy voice basically said "well we have to remember we are talking about criminals..." Because obviously women in prison (and their totally innocent children) immediately lose any right to safety and dignity. Convicted male paedophiles however....

Makes my blood boil. I hope the tide turns quickly though. The deadline for the GRA consultation really isn't that far away. I've started my response though haven't submitted it yet. I would urge anyone concerned about this issue to please add their voice to the consultation if you haven't already. Fairplay for Women has some excellent resources to get you started.

fairplayforwomen.com

Someone needs to start a petition to call for an inquiry. The public needs to know how this decision was reached and how it can be avoided in future. And heads need to roll.

Self-ID is incompatible with safeguarding.

In a nutshell.

That is a campaign slogan LangCleg.

And the BBC does not think this worthy of comment.

PM programme on Saturday did a really good piece on the whole Karen White issue. Had Dr Nicola Williams from Fair Play For Women on.

In terms of BBC it is second only to the Today programme for reach and audience.

So a good sign that with issues like this normal service in terms of coverage on a BBC programme is possible.

Beachcomber

And we're back to safeguarding.

All our history and knowledge tells us that abusers will go wherever scrutiny is least and safeguarding is weakest. Those who struggled to try and expose the abuse scandals within the Catholic church estimate that before the scandals eventually broke, 5-6% of Catholic priests were abusers. Not because 5-6% of Catholic men are abusive but because the church had created an environment where priests had unimpeachable identities and were not scrutinised, and thought protecting the church was more important than safeguarding its congregation.

The same thing will happen - and has happened - anywhere and to any group that disposes of safeguarding.

Self-ID is incompatible with safeguarding.

I agree with you Beach.

I’ve shared this on fb as I’m so appalled and as ever the mainstream reporting of this is pretty limited. People need to wake up and realise how much harm is being done to women and children by the move towards self id

Is the public's tolerance for 'lesser' outrages higher, as a result. Transwomen with more minor offences, for example. Changing rooms, etc.

We can keep pointing out that voyeurs and exhibitionists often escalate their offending if not prevented

I just posted on the other thread before I saw this one.

I'm torn between fury and tears.

White had already abused a child and raped women in two vulnerable situations that feminists have been writing about: bail hostels (FPW have a post on this) and mixed sex psychiatric wards (Times reporting on this).

And yet a court saw fit to put him in a women's prison containing a mother and baby unit on the basis of self declaration alone?

And the BBC does not think this worthy of comment.

Mark Fairhurst, acting general secretary of the Prison Officers’ Association, said the rapist’s placement among women prisoners was “disgraceful”, adding: “We would demand a full inquiry and we would expect disciplinary action to be taken against decision makers.”

Sadly I think this is the only way to affect change. If they cared about women (and babies- there is a mother and baby unit in this prison ) they would never have done this.
The threat of facing disciplinary action seems like it might be the only way to keep women and babies safe

How could it have happened? Frances Crook, chief executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform, said prison managers had to make decisions about trans offenders “in a toxic political environment where some campaigners are pushing very hard on trans rights.

I hope the woke lot on MN and elsewhere think about this. Because they are part of all this. The TRAs don't do this on their own, they do it with the support of every right on lefty wanker who parrots their ideology and their stupid misogynistic soundbites and slogans.

It should be unbelievable that this has been allowed to happen but unfortunately it isn't.

There better be an inquiry and I bet if there is a decent one they will find that the decision making process is influenced in some way by a trans lobby. And I bet the process is not influenced by any non Kool aid drinking women.

Women have been harmed whilst under the care of the state. This is an utter disgrace. My heart goes out to them and I hope they are supported and compensated. But what is done is done to these women and the people who allowed it to happen must be held responsible.

Thank you The Times. This should be on the BBC as headline news with Newsnight etc asking WTF is going on. Everyone in land should know what this toxic ideology wants and gets and does to women. Won't hold my breath though.

I hadn't even realised that the women's prison had a mother and baby unit. So yeah, stick a convicted paedophile in there.

But well done to Melissa Briscoe for standing up and being counted on the record for her friend, who was raped by this bastard.

Thank you, Melissa. You are courageous and a wonderful friend.

The simple reason "why" this happened is because the guidelines say it should.

See section 6 of this Word document here: t.co/5KnWmGSEdy

Note the wording: "female transsexual prisoner with a GRC had to be transferred to the female estate even though one of her index offences was attempted rape of a woman"

This is what happens when men "legally" become women.

The only way they can refuse (presumably in line with the Equality Act) as it states in the guidelines, is if the transwomen is so dangerous that a natal woman of the same "security profile" would be housed in a male prison under the same circumstances.

I actually can't bear to read the article based on the comments here.
I am so cross and feel so impotent to do anything about this crock of shit.

Absolutely unacceptable policy. Disastrous and appalling.

Oh dear god. I counted at least eleven attacks listed in that article.

Something is beginning to worry me.

A paedophile and self-confessed rapist who has documented form for specifically gaining access to vulnerable women has been given access to confined vulnerable women and children.

It's so out of order that I'm convinced the public outrage will serve to set the ball rolling in terms of addressing the issue.

This specific issue.

But has it moved the Overton window?

Is the public's tolerance for 'lesser' outrages higher, as a result. Transwomen with more minor offences, for example. Changing rooms, etc.

I can't think it's a deliberate tactic, but I do think it will be exploited.

How do you go about pushing for an enquiry? The article reports the prison service as saying they don’t know if there will be one.

I sure hope that anyone harmed by White while in a government facility sues.

Happy to donate for a Crowdfunder for the legal fees.

Me too. Until organisations start being sued they won't give a shit, they're too focussed on not upsetting MEN.

What's all the fuss about? It's only women, who cares?

I have no words. Sickening,

Soz cross post - talking about Claire McCann and relationship with WEP.

R0wan has of course spotted it too and raised it on the Karen White thread - with links.