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Has Dh out-feministed me, what do you think?

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TooMuchPenis · 08/09/2018 17:23

Just reading this article and this woman thinks the flight attendant was wrong to call her 'Miss". I think the flight attendant was trying to get 200 people on an airline and probably did quite well to get 'Yes, Miss O'dwyer' out before pointing her in the general direction of her seat.

unless I am mistaken and someone literally changed her boarding card to read Miss instead of Dr I don't think this is the crime of the century. in a conversation, I could totally understand her annoyance with someone getting it wrong but this is just someone misspeaking while under pressure? I also think her original tweet calling the woman a "trolly dolley" way more offensive to women and working class people and this whole thing reads less like feminism and more like "don't you know who I am!".

Dh says if you go to school for 8 years it's the least you can expect and this is the same as me getting offended when people instist on calling me miss after I have corrected them to Ms.* So who's right?

www.indy100.com/article/doctor-medicine-calls-out-airline-qantas-everyday-sexism-controversy-reaction-twitter-8525826

*For the record, I'd have no issue whatsoever if someone called me Miss in the rush instead of Ms in this situation which is again why it feels less about feminism than about academic credentials.

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TooMuchPenis · 08/09/2018 17:44

And, you are both right

I prefer that. Much better. I'll stick to that.

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NameChangedAgain18 · 08/09/2018 17:43

British Airways always do this to me. It’s never occurred to me to go public with my grievance, though (until now, obvs).

I also think there is something really unpleasant about a supposedly educated person calling someone a trolley dolly.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 08/09/2018 17:41

In fact it's not a competiiton.

Maybe the flight attendant and the passenger were both in the wrong.

And, you are both right :)

NothingOnTellyAgain · 08/09/2018 17:40

I am with you OP TBH.

This

"She later deleted the tweet after many people, especially flight attendants, found her use of the term ‘trolley dolly’ insulting."

Trolley dolly? That's bloody awful.

If the attendant galnced at boarding card to get surname to address her, they may not have clocked title.

In general miss / mrs / ms it's all a nightmare.
Yes there may have been unconscious bias in not calling her Dr but I doubt it was intentional. I doubt she read Dr and consciously thought "i'll call her miss to put her down" I mean maybe she did but...

The trolley dolly thing is AWFUL. Like, really awful.

TooMuchPenis · 08/09/2018 17:39

Dh will be pleased to know he won feminism once

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TooMuchPenis · 08/09/2018 17:38

I'm pretty sure (according to the woman's original tweet) her boarding pass said 'Dr' and the flight attendant looked at the boarding card, looked at her, looked again, then called her Miss. That's fairly basic sexism in my opinion.

IME it's actually ::quick glance down:: aisle 6 ma'am/sir and if they don't "misgender" you they've probably mentally moved on to the next person. I just don't believe anyone who would call a woman a "trolly dolly" is overly worried about feminism.

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BossWitch · 08/09/2018 17:29

I'm pretty sure (according to the woman's original tweet) her boarding pass said 'Dr' and the flight attendant looked at the boarding card, looked at her, looked again, then called her Miss. That's fairly basic sexism in my opinion.

mikeTV · 08/09/2018 17:29

I'm with him.

If you state your name (including title) and people choose to forget/correct it to what they think it should be, then they are being rude.

In the previous thread the flight attendant apparently decided not to use the title "Dr" despite it being on the ticket. No reason for this nor would it have made boarding quicker.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 08/09/2018 17:26

He is right.

Why did they call her "Miss" rather than "Mrs"?

Neither was written on the ticket, only Dr was.

Consider why that happened.