Has Dh out-feministed me, what do you think?

I know plenty of medical doctors (of both sexes) who don’t travel under the Dr title. I’d be especially hesitant to travel under the Dr title if I was a PhD doctor.

Yes - it really is best avoided.

In this context, if I had accidentally been booked as Dr (company travel people sometimes don't realise you'd rather not) I don't think I'd have been very bothered.

However, I did see some serious issues highlighted recently of medical emergencies on planes being handled suboptimally because flight attendants wouldn't accept that women- I think it was particularly women of colour - were highly qualified medics. Now that matters.

I wish the professionally offended would turn their attention to other things. I'm with you, OP.

It's a storm in an airplane tea cup.

Non medical doctors using the Dr out of work is totally wanky. (I am a non medical Dr and so are loads of my mates). No one I know uses it as the conversation goes.

“So Miss Smith....”
“Actually it’s Dr Smith”
“Oh right I didn’t know you were a doctor” (sounds interested cos they want to ask you about their great aunt’s hernia)
“I’m not I’ve got a PhD in art history”
“Oh” (disappointed)
TUMBLEWEED
You are filed away as a wanker

Maybe everyone should be titled Dr and then no issues lol

I've noticed on the websites of European law firms that just about everyone is a Dr.

I always use Ms after seeing threads on MN, I understand it was always supposed to be the female equivalent of Mr, so it avoids any ambiguity or offence.

In Germany Fraulein isn't used any more I don't think for some years and in France they took Madamoiselle off all official docs etc

I'm usually allocated "Mrs" on French and Dutch websites. I'd use Mrs if it just meant adult female.

I'm not sure about titles at all.

They're about hierarchy more than anything else especially here in the UK.
I would happily ditch them and just have names.
I know a lot of people hate that famiarity though.

I think people who get horribly offended at others not using their academic titles in a non-work context are ridiculous

I also agree that using the phrase "trolley dolly" was as bad if not worse than the original issue

Ditto to both points. Dr O'Dwyer sounds a complete pain in the arse.

"Miss and Sir "

They aren't equivalent though.

This is always the thing - men's stuff, names titles etc are pretty straightforward and standard.
Women's - not so much. Miss is something you say, you would never call a women "Missus" though it's sort of vaguely insulting which is sexist in itself.

I think sir/madam are equivalents however.
The steward had her surname and "madam o'dwyer" is definitely wrong. anything else you have to take a stab at whether she's married OR use Ms which some women find insulting.
Maybe everyone should be titled Dr and then no issues lol

There was M or something suggested years ago - a title that didn't indicate sex or marital status. This has been overtaken by Mx now which means "hello I'm into identity politics".

In Germany Fraulein isn't used any more I don't think for some years and in France they took Madamoiselle off all official docs etc

As ever the stuff for women is kind of complex and causes people to take "sides" and lots of people don't know what to say etc
While the stuff for men is just fine and normal and uncontraversial
See also - genitals

I definitely think that the "trolley dolly" was worse than the air steward. Unless the steward did it on purpose / other stuff.

The number of times I have been phoned and someone has asked to speak to Dr Bertie -because obviously women can't be Dr. I normally get 'Can I speak to your husband?' err. No, you can speak to me.

Everytime I'm asked for my title they go is it Mrs or Miss? and I go say neither and I normally get a sarky 'ok so you're a Ms comment' before correcting it.
When I was married it was Dr Bertie and Mr X and always, always, always he got the Dr bit. I'm too chilled to flipping care. But they wouldn't dare call a man Mr if he was Dr.
My sister is a Dr and her husband Mr -the same happens to her. Brother is Dr and his wife Dr -still they get Dr & Mrs. Basic stereotypes and assumptions.

You haven’t lost at feminism at all!

The “trolley dolly” has experienced that shitty, low level, day to day sexism of having her lowly paid, high stress job and her sex diminished by someone who perceives themselves as superior.

The Tweet writer was offended by what seems to have been a genuine oversight. She had a point but illustrated it in the completely wrong way.

I was thinking that exactly and wondering if Australia had an equivalent.

It does. Not sure g'day Shiela would have helped.

"Do we have a dr on board?!"

I think it that to complain about sexism while referring to a flight attendant as a “trolley dolly” is an own goal to say the very least.

It would have been more productive to correct/challenge the flight attendant in person.

I know plenty of medical doctors (of both sexes) who don’t travel under the Dr title. I’d be especially hesitant to travel under the Dr title if I was a PhD doctor.

"I also agree that using the phrase "trolley dolly" was as bad if not worse than the original issue."

It was definitely worse.
At least the flight attendant was dealing with 200 people one after another glancing at a piece of paper, before moving on to the next one.
This doctor had time to sit and think and come up with the condescending term "Trolley Dolly"
It must be nice to look down your nose at the people that serve you.
It just drips with snobbery and class bias.
She could do with checking her own privilege while she's at it.
As somebody said up thread, hardly a term to be used by somebody who can genuinely call themselves a feminist.
No wonder she's backed away from all this.

Americans tend to use Sir and Ma’am in such circumstances. I think that’s quite a good compromise and less likely to cause offence. I’m a doctor who sometimes gets addressed as Mrs, by people filling in forms or taking down order details etc - I just politely correct them, I wouldn’t go online to insult them for it!

Why would anyone care? Another attention seeking drama queen.

“I think people who get horribly offended at others not using their academic titles in a non-work context are ridiculous.”

Yep. Chances are the attendant only glanced at the surname and guessed it was Ms O’Dwyer, given the complete how plane boarding turns into a complete cattle market.

I’m normally very about “PC gorn mad!” comments, but I have issues with this lady thinking the initial comment was offensive and then proceeding to describe someone doing their (challenging and not well paid, female dominated) job as a trolley dolly.

I think people who get horribly offended at others not using their academic titles in a non-work context are ridiculous.

I also agree that using the phrase "trolley dolly" was as bad if not worse than the original issue.

Honestly - yes, it could be a quick glance and not reading the title, BUT - why is her go-to, in a hurry response, to use "Miss"? Because she probably uses Miss and Sir without ever trying to consider that there are other options and she's therefore assuming a stereotyped binary gender monicker.

Which is grounded in patriarchal norms.

That's a lot of clever useless words to say that your DH is right, by a cat's whisker.