Has Dh out-feministed me, what do you think?

"Look, I do get this. BUT at the same time, as per examples above, women with PhDs and who are rightfully known as Dr have been treated in exactly that way (in other contexts) when men haven't."

Being introduced at a professional conference is a very different situation to an airline steward who is dealing with 1000s of people every day though.

In fact, I've had situations where I've handed over my credit card (which has my title) and had that exact same reaction - look at the card and me and back again...

I'm with "dr mummy" upthread, when I have mine (one day...) I will be using it to death

Though I am curious where a doctorate in biological science ranks and if they are automatically "less allowed" to use it than a medical doctor. In the imaginary scenario of a contagious illness in flight, does a rheumatologist automatically have more knowledge than someone who has extensively studied and made a career in virology?
The comparison given is always someone with a doctorate in something like history who is apparently "pretending" they are as high up the rank as a medical doctor. Who made up this rank anyway? It's nonsense.

Another thing I was wondering from this thread, admittedly after reading ineeds post - are those who think using dr when it "isn't relevant" is wanky, largely men (obviously I know there are women who agree (on here) too, but are they outnumbered by men? Though I don't imagine there are official stats on perceived wankiness! )?
Are they men who aren't used to being judged on their marital status with miss/mrs/ms?

As for the comment "she looked at my boarding pass, looked at me, looked at the boarding pass and then called me miss" they were probably just checking the information, sometimes we can all be guilty of not taking in information properly when you have looked at 300 of the damn things already during boarding

Look, I do get this. BUT at the same time, as per examples above, women with PhDs and who are rightfully known as Dr have been treated in exactly that way (in other contexts) when men haven't.

I'm a flight attendant.

We do not actually check names as such, or titles. We check for date, flight number and destination.

The name is a nicety to help our customers feel more welcome.

The suggestion that a man would be called by the title and a woman wouldn't is just the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard.

We have over 300 people through the doors and we have to check every single boarding pass- does this woman really believe we have time to check everyone's names and titles with the time constraints that we get?

Boarding is for safety and security. The niceties come after.

As for the comment "she looked at my boarding pass, looked at me, looked at the boarding pass and then called me miss" they were probably just checking the information, sometimes we can all be guilty of not taking in information properly when you have looked at 300 of the damn things already during boarding!

This is just a classic example of a woman thinking she is far superior to others because she has the title of DR, Seems to me as if she would use any excuse to spoil for an argument or take offence to something.

And for the record, I have a university degree in Psychology and many, many of my colleagues who I work with also do.

This woman claims to be a feminist when actually she has just showed herself not to be at all with her complaining and it is clear to see that she thinks that she is better than everyone else.

I also think letters after name is a bit american and it's hierarchy again!

I raise an eyebrow at poeple who list their minor qualifications after their names on linked in for eg. But who decides where the cut off point is? And then it's back to different societies different rules etc etc and people not knowng what teh "done thing" is.

I feel like, if I have a certain award or wualificaiton, why do people need to know abotu it in situations where it's not relevant to anything?

These are just my personal views though I know a lot of people are attached to titles / letters and so on.

To be fair my educated, intelligent air hostess friend calls herself and her colleagues trolley dollies. Not something I'd say to her though!

Question for me is if say a male colleague went through the gate before her and did get called Dr. Then it would feel quite pointed wouldn't it? Suspect it could be a build up of similar incidents more than annoyance at this particular one which does seem a bit petty.

I did register as Dr at work as my qualification is relevant, for some reason their system keeps calling me Doctor Kind which feels all wrong.

Letters after the name is a bit American isn't it?

I'm also trying to remember that Yes Minister skit...

Errol I'd not go down that route either as it's even more complicated - some people have a string of letters after their name and so even more opportunity to get shirty if someone gets it wrong!

No - you can put relevant letters on your card, email footer, letter signoff, LinkedIn profile etc but no-one uses any them when corresponding with you or referring to you (And obviously not in conversation).

planes

use of title dr male female talk about teh study starts about halfway down

OrchiddingMe - yes there was a study abotu that - I'll see if I can find it.

At seminars and similar - the men were introdcued with full title and name, the women were introdcued by name.

I'll have a google.

Also agree with the poster upthread who raised the issue of in USA women doctors and esp black women docs being turned away when they responded to "is there a doctor on the plane"

It is a common phenomenon that when both men and women have Dr titles, mens are used more frequently, there's even been research that shows this. I've been at talks where we've been introduced as Dr Gage (man), Professor Mattin and Orchid. In those contexts I introduce myself as Dr Chiddingme to obtain parity with the men who are default referred to as Drs

Oh yeah. Been there and sung that song. I've even been in situations where men without PhDs have been 'promoted' and I've been 'Spartacus'.

Oh so it was aimed at the PP who was proud to be "Miss"

No, that was just a random example. I hadn't even read that post just before I start WW3

It is a common phenomenon that when both men and women have Dr titles, mens are used more frequently, there's even been research that shows this. I've been at talks where we've been introduced as Dr Gage (man), Professor Mattin and Orchid. In those contexts I introduce myself as Dr Chiddingme to obtain parity with the men who are default referred to as Drs.

I would be happy for everyone to drop titles in everyday life- no need for bank or airline tickets to have titles on them.

I wouldn't drop my Dr in professional life unless all the men do and they won't!

Errol I'd not go down that route either as it's even more complicated - some people have a string of letters after their name and so even more opportunity to get shirty if someone gets it wrong!

I'd go for eg

Bob Smith

And

When relevant or intrducing at a talk or wahetevr

This is Bob Smith who is the Grand Badger of the Leamington Spa Freemasons or whatever

Oh so it was aimed at the PP who was proud to be "Miss"?

There's no real problem with getting rid of titles, we can use letters after our names (where they're appropriate) for earned qualifications etc and honours eg knighthoods could also be just KBE not 'Sir', in line with MBE.

Misunderstood this - what did you mean

Simply - I worked for my PhD (just as medical Drs work for those and other professionals do too) in a way that someone does not work for 'Miss' and it is still relevant in my workplace to denote that I have jumped a particular hurdle that others haven't mind you, having a dick counts for more but let's not go there.

Why would I give pause at the idea of religious people losing their titles?

While we're at it we can take the bishops is it? out of the house of lords. Why should religion get automatically into our lawmaking systems.

"Mine is still relevant in professional circles - and I actually worked for it "

Misunderstood this - what did you mean?

Yes I want them all gone. They are nothing but a signal of position in various hierarchies, in the UK expecially.

So yes i want them all gone

So that will include priests, rabbis, other religious peoples, military peoples, the aristocracy, the lot then.

You don't think medical docs work for their qualifications? confused

Er, no I never said that. I simply said that I worked for mine!

You don't think medical docs work for their qualifications?

Well yes obv

Get rid of all of them

It would solve the mr/ms/mrs stuff for a start
The ones that indicate that we are the sex class

So yes i want them all gone.

Like i said upthread >> I know a lot of people are very attached to them though.