Karen White case - how MN can help build political pressure for change

If Jess or any other politician wants an exit strategy I suggest they come and read Mumsnet. There are thousands of threads full of women who have chosen to stop pursuing an unsustainable ideology and have reverted to telling the truth.

Jess is mistaken if Jess thinks this willingness to throw women under the bus will be sufficient to prevent Momentum or dudebros from working for her de-selection.

It is, however, possibly enough to make some potential women voters reconsider any support for her.

Jess Phillips is not a feminist, she is a career politician. She will play the feminist card when she has something to gain from it, but she will never take any action that isn’t at least 90% selfish.

That’s not restricted to Jess TBF, it’s how politicians stay in office, but I wouldn’t trust any of them as far as I could throw them.

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Spot on. But how do politicians get out of this hole that they've dug for themselves? We need them to recognise this and face down the baying misogynists. Maybe we need to write them some scripts.?

Jess is tying herself in the inevitable knots that result from trying to hold two mutually exclusive positions.

1. Transwomen are always women. No question, no challenge, no dissent.
2. These women should be treated as men.

These two positions are incompatible.

Jess needs to have some integrity and consistency of position. Otherwise she lacks all credibility and actively undermines women's rights completely.

Her current position is seemingly "let my judgement of goodness or badness be the arbiter of which men I can force you to pretend are women"

It's bullshit, Jess.

You can never square this circle. Let us know when you realise this.

Oh and if anyone thinks the Tories are any better then think again. Acceptance of a cheating husband, who displays dishonesty at all times? Perfectly acceptable. He might even be the next Prime Minister.

No fault divorces? Let's ignore sex based rights for women and push this through as a radical approach to show how woke we are.

The LibDems haven't got a clue. The Green Party are dust.

I think this politician wants to be respected and elected, giving the open approach by Momentum to remove all centre Labour politicians from re selection.

Throwing women openly under a bus isn't going to work. Either tackle the situation straight on and deal with it or fudge around the issue. Oh wait, the latter has already been taken as a compromise.

When it comes to sex based rights for women, there are no compromises.

My 60-something, crusty, "cut him and he'll bleed blue", safest seat going Tory MP is more of a feminist than these women will ever be.

For shame.

Yeah that twitter thread is pretty terrible.

I’m quite pissed off that the likes of Phillips (and Creasy with her policy against misogynistic crime that doesn’t define what a woman is) are intelligent women who have persevered and made their way in politics - and yet they are choosing to throw their lot in with people who have no interest in women’s rights being preserved. Disappointing.

Jess Phillips was my last hope for sense in the Labour party, but that hope has now gone. What is WRONG with these women/so-called feminists? They are all handmaidens. How can they seriously consider themselves feminists? They make me sick, especially Stella Creasy. I just can't bear to listen any of them anymore.
I wish we were back in the days of Clare Short and her ilk.

^^Oops, that was meant to be for a completely different thread, apologies!

www.additudemag.com/adult-test-for-add-adhd/ just a thought...

Carrie Cooper (was Gary Cooper) was convicted yesterday in St. Albans of sexual offences against a young girl. This person is already serving 14 years for raping a 12 year old girl.

Metro link

If male transgender sex offenders are so rare, then how come we are seeing two guilty convictions for sexual offences against women and children on the same day?

YY. That thread has opened my eyes.

Look at her responses on the rest of the thead.
She's a snake and I don't trust her one bit.

It's more aimed at what I read on the Twitter thread.

I was beginning to warm towards her, then she used the word ‘cis’. Fuck off Jess and take your misogynistic, racist shitshow of a party with you.

If that’s aimed at me, Mrbatmun, then I suggest you read my post again.

This argument that 'well sometimes women assault other women in prison so let's just let in the blokes with penises who have already used that penis to rape a woman' is such bollocks.

Karen White is a man. Who should never have been allowed near a women's prison. We need to keep saying this.

Yeah, no. Sorry. Jess is just busy triangulating, as per usual.

Not trusting her with any initiative to protect vulnerable women from gender identity ideology. She'll sell us out as soon as it suits her.

All mouth and no pocketless trousers.

I actually have lost all respect for Jess. That xxxx to that clueless woman-dismissing woke bro has made me really angry.

Surely the problem with excluding anyone convicted of VAWG is that sometimes the offenders are natal women?
I’m not suggesting that women are as violent as men because statistics show that to be untrue; but sometimes offenders are women, causing physical harm to other females - where would they be imprisoned according to Phillips’ proposition?

It’s too fragmentary an approach. A blanket policy that all offenders reside in the estate of their actual biological sex is needed. NOT faffing around with ‘well maybe this person is OK.’

Ireland has a policy of prisoners being in the estate that matches their sex. It works.

NOTHING else will protect women. A male bodied prisoner convicted of say fraud should NOT be a women’s prison either.

Stop appeasing and start protecting these very vulnerable women, many of whom have already faced sexual violence. Women’s jails should only contain biologically female prisoners. It beggars belief that anyone is negotiating this.

She's still playing handmaiden a bit too much for my liking. Look at this where she jumps in to make it clear that she doesn't support women to have women's spaces free of males but it must be on the "case by case basis" which effectively negates any protective effect in the EA:

twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1038382980073500672?s=20

Embarrassing. Shit or get off the pot Jess.