Karen White case - how MN can help build political pressure for change

Then - stop bellyaching about men in your changing room, at least there's not a rapist in your prison.

Questions are being asked about trans-rights lobbying charities, organisations eg:

James Kirkup:
Mermaids lobbying & conflict with NHS services:
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

James Kirkup
Gendered Intelligence etc:
"Prison policy says prisoners should generally be housed in the estate that matches their expressed gender, subject to a review by a Transgender Case Board following rules drawn up after a review partly run by an organisation called Gendered Intelligence, one of a handful of small trans rights groups that enjoy an interesting level of access and influence in Whitehall."
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/why-was-a-transgender-rapist-put-in-a-womens-prison/

Jonny Best on Stonewall:
"But Stonewall has lost its way. Ruth Hunt, the CEO since 2014, has invited into the organisation the most extreme trans ideologues and activists and she has swallowed their arguments whole. Hunt is stubbornly ignoring the danger self-ID poses to women and girls — and that is a scandal and a tragedy.

If you care about the safety of women and girls it’s time not just to ignore Stonewall, but to actively oppose it.

Speaking up for women and girls is not transphobia."
medium.com/@JonnnyBest/calling-all-gay-men-women-need-you-to-speak-up-please-read-this-9df277ecb59e

Datun that is my concern too. Layla Moran has told me she agrees there needs to be consideration about prisons. It's a get out of jail free card for them. However if they agree there is s problem with male bodied people in prisons, why should we be happy with them in other safe places. If they admit there is a problem.....

On a slight aside I have repeatedly asked her if the LD stance is TWAW how do they define trans? And a number of other questions related to safeguarding NSPCC/GG. I have also asked if she or someone from her party will follow Caroline Lucas lead and meet with women's groups (and pointed out that I can see why she wouldn't, given the hate CL is experiencing)

Sorry, slightly off at s tangent there. I'm so riled this morning.

Jess is currently terrified of being deselected by Momentum types. She is already had her cards marked as a 'blairite' and has supported Jewish MPs.

Any sign of further 'disloyalty to the leader' (one of the reasons given this week in a vote of no confidence in a Jewish MP) and she will go higher on the hit list.

YY Datun.

Do MPs have any responsibility for inmates at prisons in their constituencies? Because the MP for New Hall is, I believe, Mary Creagh. Would it be helpful to contact her?

I'm still worried that this outrageous case is shifting the Overton window.

I have no doubt it will be addressed, and rules put in place.

Then - stop bellyaching about men in your changing room, at least there's not a rapist in your prison.

How many transwomen would there be if women didn't have the vote, couldn't get degrees and most of us didn't work, or did factory jobs with significantly less pay (still pay gap)didn't have female only spaces, rape crisis, female sports, hostels etc, etc

But, they would be showing us how to woman correctly and demonstrating that it is our innate inferiority that is keeping us there (look at the senior posts in nursing, education etc.). There would, of course, be Brave and Stunning exceptions that would allow some people to vote, work in high-paying industries etc.

How many transwomen would there be if women didn't have the vote, couldn't get degrees and most of us didn't work, or did factory jobs with significantly less pay (still pay gap)didn't have female only spaces, rape crisis, female sports, hostels etc, etc

Good bloody point.

And our survey said... a big fat zero.

Sorry, Im a bit behind on the discussion, thinking about earlier posts.

Imagine the costs of individual basis. Sex segregation and special unit or wing for trans. That would in the long run be the cheapest option.

I think it is worth asking the question if the law said they had to stay in male prisons and could not wipe previous criminal record. How many would still do it?

How many transwomen would there be if women didn't have the vote, couldn't get degrees and most of us didn't work, or did factory jobs with significantly less pay (still pay gap)didn't have female only spaces, rape crisis, female sports, hostels etc, etc

"At the time, Wood was out of prison on licence after serving part of an 18-month sentence for abusing a primary school child. He was staying at the Birch Lane probation hostel in Manchester, where Briscoe was a staff member. The rape victim was visiting one of the other offenders in the hostel."

Manchester again!

I’m staggered. There must be an enquiry on this - it’s so important. A rapist with previous form for accessing mixed spaces with vulnerable women and child rape is allowed to self ID and placed in a women’s prison that contains a mother and baby unit.

The inquiry needs to happen and it needs to look at WHY this was allowed. Until people are held accountable for decisions like this then this will keep happening.

This is worse than I had even imagined.

There must be consequences for this.

This ^^

THanks Popchyk

"police told her Wood had gained admission to a mixed psychiatric ward, where he had repeatedly raped a young woman patient suffering from Asperger’s syndrome".

Yesterday Tara Hewitt (NHS diversity consultant) gave a workshop at the transgender conference on trans and mental health.
from current
Dr Adrian Harrop thread

Tara Hewitt was the Diversity officer for Manchester UHSM hospital, also co-founder for TELI (with Jess Bradley & Michelle Brewer)

Tara Hewitt ammended the same sex ward policy at UHSM to include a transgender policy, in short to gender self-id on wards & facilities.

January 2018 'Lancaster mum with “fear of men” locked on hospital ward with transgender patient'
(extract)
"A Lancaster mum whose bi-polar disorder left her believing men were conspiring to kill her said she was left terrified when she was locked on a women’s psychiatric ward with an “extremely male-bodied” transgender patient. Philippa Molloy, 42, said she was “genuinely, absolutely terrified” because she had suffered a relapse in her condition that made her irrationally terrified of men – including her own husband."

www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/lancaster-mum-with-fear-of-men-locked-on-hospital-ward-with-transgender-patient-1-8963648

Relevent recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3297578-NHS-confuse-sex-and-gender-on-advice-about-The-Mental-Health-Act

Previous workshop for HCPs by Tara Hewitt 'Trans people and Cancer' in which she also describes her work across many NHS trusts with prisons, social care etc. Describes how trans is an umbrella term, nothing to do with surgery etc includes cross-dressers who are fetishistic.

Well Jess’s profile has certainly been raised by this thread, although possibly not in the way intended.
After reading those tweets I won’t even sympathise when she ends up on Terfblocker, as she surely will.

Lang Cleg beat me to it with the heat hear

Jess and your simpering minions if you’re lurking 🖕 I know who’s got women’s backs and it isn’t you.

I'd love to hear what Sophie Walker et Al have to say about inviting a lawyer to speak at WEP who is actively arguing for transgender rapists to be able to hide their crimes because the rapist's right to privacy outweighs women's rights to safety and society's right to transparency of legal justice.

THIS

Yes 👏 👏 Jess can do one after simpering at that woke bro "educating" women about why we should shut up.

Personally, I trust Fairplay4Women and WPUK and the rest to take this "truth to power" far more than JP. I'm not interested in salvaging politician's careers, let alone raising their profile.

Hear bloody hear.

This thread was started by someone who came onto Mumsnet for the purpose of posting it only.

S/he doesn't appear to be aware that MN was spearheading this cause.

In fact, s/he sounds like someone campaigning to raise the profile of Jess P.

Personally, I trust Fairplay4Women and WPUK and the rest to take this "truth to power" far more than JP. I'm not interested in salvaging politician's careers, let alone raising their profile.

This is worse than I had even imagined.

There must be consequences for this.

I'd love to hear what Sophie Walker et Al have to say about inviting a lawyer to speak at WEP who is actively arguing for transgender rapists to be able to hide their crimes because the rapist's right to privacy outweighs women's rights to safety and society's right to transparency of legal justice.

Bowlofbabelfish - from Gilligan's article it's not clear that there will be an enquiry:

Mark Fairhurst, acting general secretary of the Prison Officers’ Association, said the rapist’s placement among women prisoners was “disgraceful”, adding: “We would demand a full inquiry and we would expect disciplinary action to be taken against decision makers.”

A spokesman for the Prison Service said it “apologised sincerely for the mistakes that were made in this case”, but could not say whether an inquiry would be launched.

I am genuinely lost for words lang.

I can only hope this case sparks an in depth review of how this happened. It’s horrific.

It is in The Times article, R0wan.

Times link

"Briscoe, now a senior therapist at a charity, said Wood had a history of seeking access to mixed and women’s institutions to find and abuse vulnerable people. As well as the bail hostel and the prison, she said, police told her Wood had gained admission to a mixed psychiatric ward, where he had repeatedly raped a young woman patient suffering from Asperger’s syndrome".