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Mixed Sex Toilets in Schools

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Nicknamesalltaken · 08/09/2018 14:17

I’m a Governor at a primary school.

There’s some discussion going on in a FB group I’m on about switching to mixed sex toilets. All the other governors seem to be happy with it, saying they are more efficient, will stop bullying. How do the manage at home sharing etc etc. Toilet cubicles are floor to ceiling but handbasins are separate.

I am very against mixed sex facilities if that is all there is. Most, of not all, girls in their schools will have to deal with periods. They need separate facilities to be able to do so, and not be embarrassed by it.

Not one person shares my view. I need to post on the thread with firm arguements (I am trying to avoid the self-Id issue as I want to explain this from the point of view of the rights of women and girls). I want to tell them that girls matter.

If we take away single sex spaces now, girls and women won’t feel entitled to them. They are necessary for a reason.

I thought that, by law, schools had to provide single sex facilities? Can anyone help me with this? If toilets are sealed units but washing facilities shared?

Am I going mad here? Or have I spent too long on these feminism boards? It’s not me is it?

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WeWantJustice · 08/09/2018 14:31

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/410294/Advice_on_standards_for_school_premises.pdf

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You'd be open to a legal challenge if you didn't comply with the law.

SnuggyBuggy · 08/09/2018 14:28

I would quote legislation and I agree bring up the period thing.

WeWantJustice · 08/09/2018 14:28

They are not allowed to have single sex toilets for children over the age of 8, the law is perfectly clear on this, schools have a statutory duty to provide toilets segregated by sex for children over the age of 8.

Hold on a mo, I'll search out the guidance.

Kyanite · 08/09/2018 14:28

Mixed sex toilets are an incredibly bad idea, especially with wash basins outside the toilet. Where will sanitary bins be?

You can download Transgender Trend's school resource pack here, it should have the answers you need.

www.transgendertrend.com/transgender-schools-guidance/

NotAnotherJaffaCake · 08/09/2018 14:27

Talk loudly and at length about periods. Especially if most of your fellow governors are male, they won't be aware of what it's like. They will be paying for proper sanitary bins in every cubicle, won't they?

Why can't boys have urinals which are far better for them than trying to pee in a toilet? Have they considered that people won't want to use wee covered toilet seats? Have they asked the cleaners who have to deal with toilets their opinions?

What is the problem they are trying to solve? And how much will it cost to convert? Frankly I would be amazed if they have that money to spare.

I also thought that the legislation required separate toilet and washing facilities, so enclosed cubicles which had washbasins were fine, cubicles with communal washbasins not fine.

LusaCole · 08/09/2018 14:26

Why do they think it will stop bullying?? I don't get it. Are they saying that bullying always takes place between members of the same sex?

LusaCole · 08/09/2018 14:24

I work for the public sector (not in a school) and we have three toilet facilities - one for females, one for males and one mixed sex. Could that be a solution that everyone is happy with?

IAmLurkacus · 08/09/2018 14:24

School governor business should be discussed in an organised and minuted meeting, not on Facebook Ffs!

HoleyCoMoley · 08/09/2018 14:21

If you are a school governor do you go to the planning or staff meetings, there is a lot of online info on school toilets, what about the boys point of view, do they want to share toilet facilities with girls. Aren't they just as entitled to single sex facilities.

arranfan · 08/09/2018 14:21

I have to run but there are some relevant links/discussion for you in: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357167-unisex-school-toilets-daughter-refusing-to-use-them

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