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The Times - smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths

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tiredandweary · 08/09/2018 00:45

The Times reporting on the smear campaign against academics run by 'Natacha Kennedy' of Goldsmiths. Given how movingly women academics have written here about the fear and intimidation they experience working in universities, how good to see the source of the bullying exposed. share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-goldsmiths-lecturer-natacha-kennedy-behind-smear-campaign-against-academics-f2zqbl222?shareToken=c2e850050d0c9913ecbcbbb9b0e9ccfb

And a brilliant article by Janice Turner about dangerous trans rapists in women's jails:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-rapists-are-a-danger-in-women-s-jails-5vhgh57pt?shareToken=a5c5b379f8c0f6ccd446176a676344e6

So pleased that I took out a subscription to the Times.

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BettyDuMonde · 10/09/2018 21:22

Looked at the minutes for the G/S LGBTQ+ meeting.

Doesn’t seem to say the word ‘lesbian’ at all, yet they have three different trans officer positions.

Still, I’m sure Mx Pinafore will be championing the lesbian course as soon as Mx Pinafore enrols.

doedoe90303811 · 10/09/2018 21:14

They are saying the gulags were actually a good system and very much maligned.

twitter.com/lgbtqgold/status/1039140880731521025

And no, it is not a parody account, these people really are this fucked in the head.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2018 21:00

They don't seem to like working class much either

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/09/27/backlash-against-freshers-week-chicken-shop-tour-students-claim/amp/
Backlash against freshers' week chicken shop tour as students claim it is racist and 'exotifies local culture'

Student Che Scott-Heron Newton, the daughter of late American jazz poet Gil Scott-Heron, led the criticism, calling the chicken shop tour a “gross exotification of local working-class culture”.

“My main point is that I felt that a poorer area of London’s culture was being mocked by this tour,” she told The Daily Telegraph.

She said that she had complained to university staff about the event. In a letter to her lecturer, she wrote: “Today I became aware that the student union is offering 'chicken shop tours' and I can honestly say that this is one of the most pretentious messes that I have ever seen in my entire life.

Gosh this is ODD.

A reputation for sexism, classism and racism.

Who'd have thought.

All seemingly excused in the name of being woke.

NotMeOhNo · 10/09/2018 20:48

Those victims of sexual harassment at Goldsmiths are probably just "sex negative" kink shamers.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2018 20:43

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/bahar-mustafa-goldsmiths-university-diversity-officer-could-lose-job-after-being-accused-by-students-10260697.html%3famp
Bahar Mustafa: Goldsmiths Students' Union diversity officer 'could lose job' after being accused by students of racism against white men
Bahar Mustafa received a backlash after requesting that white people and men did not attend an event for BME students

Bahar Mustafa, the student union’s welfare and diversity officer, received a backlash after she posted a Facebook message about an event which requested that men and white people did not attend a BME Women and non-binary event.

Errrrr.....

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2018 20:35

From 2017:

amp.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/06/new-sexual-harassment-claims-goldsmiths-university-of-london-calls-inquiry?__twitter_impression=true
New sexual harassment claims at Goldsmiths spark calls for inquiry
University at heart of harassment scandal last year paid almost £200,000 to students who made complaints, research reveals

Goldsmiths, University of London, which was at the centre of a high-profile sexual harassment scandal last year, is under pressure to hold a full independent inquiry after it emerged that the institution is facing fresh allegations.

The new complaints have come to light as a result of Guardian investigations, which have also revealed that Goldsmiths paid £192,146 in compensation to students who have brought complaints of sexual harassment, assault or rape against members of staff in the last six years.

The university recently launched a 10-point sexual harassment strategy and announced the creation of a 12-month management post to improve the reporting and addressing of sexual harassment at Goldsmiths.

It wants to become an example of good practice in higher education, but critics say there needs first to be a root-and-branch investigation into the culture at the university to understand what went wrong.

The new allegations date back to the late 1980s and early 1990s and focus on staff in one department. One woman, who was in a vulnerable state following a family tragedy, described how as an undergraduate she was “groomed” by a member of staff with whom she subsequently had a brief relationship.

“What I needed was care and support but what I got was an unethical misuse of power and a very unhappy route straight into his bed,” she told the Guardian

"bed,” she told the Guardian.

“I’m disgusted by what he did to me, when I was so young and emotionally fragile, when I was so clearly traumatised, and under his care. It was a very distressing, confusing episode in my life.”

"I felt terribly sad to know it’s still a big issue and young women are still being subjected to such disgusting misuse of power, and sometimes criminal behaviour. If I hadn’t seen the articles I don’t think I would ever have spoken up about what happened to me at Goldsmiths,” she said.

What a...

... Coincidence....

SunsetBeetch · 10/09/2018 18:17

Funny you should say that..

The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
IAmLurkacus · 10/09/2018 18:12

Is that actually a real account? Is it not a Pomoshire like parody?

Lancelottie · 10/09/2018 18:07

well known and renowned academics

Wonder why they're well known and renowned.

SunsetBeetch · 10/09/2018 18:04

The LGBT twitter account is still bleating on...

"The state of our mentions right now is testimony to the increasingly hostile environment against our trans siblings across the board. The transmisogynist, bioloical essentialist rhetoric being spread by well known and renowned academics endangers trans students everywhere."

twitter.com/lgbtqgold/status/1039149808127279104?s=19

The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
Xenia · 10/09/2018 17:55

It's ridiculous - like Animal Farm or the Emperor's New Clothes. We all know what a man and a woman is. The few unfortunates born in the wrong body can get surgery and switch under current law. There is no need to change the law to let people self declare.

Materialist · 10/09/2018 17:39

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partystress · 10/09/2018 17:05

I think it would be really helpful if somehow this whole issue could be floated apart from any political labels. I've just read the comments under a WSJ article about the suppression by 'ideologues' of Littman's research. Whilst overwhelmingly gobsmacked/critical of the TRA position, there are lots of snide cracks at the left and 'progressives'. One comment says "welcome to the deplorables". That's not the company I want to keep and all the political parties here have let us down. This is a bigger issue with wider implications than any I can remember and needs to be free of labels that might stop some people even listening. But how?

SunsetBeetch · 10/09/2018 16:31

But fascism is funny guyz

The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
LangCleg · 10/09/2018 15:48

Fascist, obvs grin But I’ll bet you’re a facist, too

According to Urban Dictionary:

A subculture of racism, instead of classifying people by race, the facist judges people by how attractive he/she finds the face of other people. It is not to be confused with "fascist" which is extreme idiotic loyalty to an imaginary state which may or may not exist.

That's it! I'm an uglyphobe! Still floating in my clouds though. Ner!

Manderleyagain · 10/09/2018 14:12

Cardsforkittens you are right about sex as a social construct. It was an interesting idea when I first encountered it as a postgrad from butler. I think it has some usefulness but the way it is being used (eg by the goldsmiths LGBT Twitter account) is dim and narrow. It's interesting to me that Judith butlers account of gender does not back up the idea of an innate individual gender identity at all. I'm not sure where that idea has come from - was it developed in grass roots activism? I can't find it it any feminist theory or other scholarship.

BettyDuMonde · 10/09/2018 13:51

If Nick Matte honestly believes what Nick Matte says in that clip then Nick Matte has absolutely no idea how babies get made.

R0wantrees · 10/09/2018 13:49

I watched an interview with Nick Matte (which I think this quote comes from). Matte's explanations are quite extraordinarily complicated and a good example of pomo / queer theory.

CardsforKittens · 10/09/2018 13:42

I think Nick Matte is oversimplifying, which doesn't help. It can be argued that 'biological sex' is something we identify and classify, and to which we've attributed certain meanings, but that it's possible to reclassify and to atttibute different meanings to the same empirical observations.

And that's all very well but if we wish to do that, we have to start from our current position, which is a history of tens of thousands of years of oppressing half the population on the basis of those observations. I'd like to see liberation from that oppression before I accept wholesale reclassifications. Perhaps Nick thinks reclassifying will lead to liberation. I disagree.

Once upon a time I hoped that the transsexual phenomenon could be part of that liberation by problematising sex classification. However, the current Stonewall agenda suggests a doubling down on a binary I consider oppressive.

As for Riley... I'm happy to agree with this single phrase, but from Riley's other statements I'm not sure Riley understands what 'social construct' means.

R0wantrees · 10/09/2018 13:05

ideology/ propaganda?

The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
CardsforKittens · 10/09/2018 11:16

The idea of sex as a social construct isn't particularly new or complicated. What's new is the way some trans activists are misunderstanding the idea.

Trying to deconstruct sex sartorially just won't work. Trying to deconstruct sex by legally redefining it is politically inappropriate and also won't work.

Social constructs are real, not imaginary. They have real effects. If people want to deconstruct sex, it's necessary for men to know and believe that women are fully human and equally valuable. It's necessary to overturn symbolisms in which women are signified as inferior.

This is why I can't accept statements like 'suck my lady dick' or 'lesbians who reject my penis are transphobic'. This is why I can't tolerate secret societies, no-platforming of feminists, and shouts of Nazi or Terf as a substitute for debate. These things represent a fundamental misreading of social constructivism - in addition to being deeply offensive.

If sex is a social construct it's constructed in order to establish and preserve a social hierarchy. It's not about an individual sense of gender identity. At all.

hipsterfun · 10/09/2018 10:34

What is going on with science education in this country? Diversity of sex gametes, fgs.

Juells · 10/09/2018 10:28

Ohmigod I HRTFT and it may have been posted already, but just came across the screenshots of the plotting on fb to get rid of GC feminists from wikipedia page about feminism, and stuff the lists with 'trans feminists'. These people live in some kind of deranged bubble, but they're so dangerous for the rest of us.

pbs.twimg.com/media/DminHeTU8AAfRVh.jpg
pbs.twimg.com/media/DminH9sU8AAOzut.jpg

Well done to whoever took those screenshots.

OrchidInTheSun · 10/09/2018 10:07

Also I love the fact that they have said that XX/XY is a 20th century concept, stolen from a woman scientist. Was she a biological woman or a constructed one? Did she identify as one and was she actually a cat? Enquiring minds want to know

OrchidInTheSun · 10/09/2018 10:06

When I was at University, Goldsmiths was a really respected university. If this lot are anything to go by, they no longer deserve that reputation.

It's a car crash of fascist cultspeak

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