Does this person have a point about trans women in loos?

I'm not bothered by unassuming people who seem genuinely to want to visit the ladies loo, its mostly cubicles anyway. I don't care if the person is dressed male/female/whatever as long as they're going in a loo then washing their hands and leaving. I spend quite a bit of time in France and while I'm not really keen on unisex toilet spaces I've been in a few without problem (except they always stink). More sensitive female spaces though, are of course a different matter. Places where vulnerable people are, need increased protection. Laws which make it harder to protect the vulnerable are to be avoided.

Totally agree UndercoverGC

There should be no exceptions to the law on single sex spaces. None.

There are ways of avoiding having to use women's toilets - think of the lone dads with small daughters who seem to get by. They recognise that they have no entitlement to enter. They tend to ask women to keep a look out for the child or they use the mixed sex disabled facilities.

Once there is a precedent that chip-chip-chips away at single sex spaces then we're back to square one.

Although in theory we are expected to use ladies loos etc during RLE, the vast majority of us accept that pre everything that isn’t comfortable for us and more importantly those we share these spaces with.

We will try to hunt out neutral loos, though a time or two I held on until I got home. It was only once HRT had started feminising my face, several months, that I started using the ladies.

Very few of us are insensitive enough that we’d share a communal changing area pre-op.

Yep, being socially acceptable as a woman is impossible and you will be constantly criticised for all your choices.
Welcome to being a woman. This is what everyday life is always like for those of us born female.
Constant criticism and pressure over the smallest of choices. Constant criticism. Don't go outside without removing or concealing your revolting body hair, you'll get hassled by strangers.
Too much makeup? Asking for it.
Not enough makeup? Make some effort, love.
This is what being a woman is like.
Trans women haven't seen this before, haven't had to notice it, because they've been protected by male privilege. Then they start getting some idea of what women have had to struggle under our whole lives. So some of them lash out, because being raised as men, they have always been able to expect that other people will do the work of making them emotionally comfortable.
A woman's place is in the wrong. Always. Don't like it? Then attack patriarchy, not women.

RLE doesn't require using women only spaces.
It does require living as your target identity.
It's rare that I access women only spaces whilst going about everyday life as a woman - almost everything I do is mixed sex, mixed gender.

floral thanks for putting it so well.

I think most feminists I've read have said the removal of the penis is a hugely regrettable, but understandable thing for someone with extreme dysphoria to have done to help them cope. It's not a life goal, shall we say, and no one, anywhere, should feel coerced into it.

There are plenty of men under the trans umbrella who fucking love their penis and wouldn't dream of removing it. They shouldn't have to, of course.

But the penis is not a neutral appendage, and, like it or not, it's presence makes an actual difference in real things.

It's not a double bind. It's a situation created by men who have piggybacked onto dysphoric people's distress to guilt women into acquiescing to unreasonable demands.

You're pantomiming femininity
You have a fucking beard

Um, there’s quite a lot of daylight between these two extremes.

And as for the removal of the penis, I’ve heard no feminists criticising an adult trans woman for this, in fact pretty much all feminists I’ve seen comment say they’re willing to welcome physically transitioned trans women into female spaces.

Watching with interest. It's friday night, not as many mods on, just saying ............

Factually inaccurate anyway. Dudebro doesn’t know the difference between GRS and GRC, let alone the difference between ‘living as’ and using a bog.

Do men think all women are their loving Mummies?

Yes. And when mummy doesn't do what they want, we are the repository for everything.... Hate, disappointment in oneself, rage, uninvited dick, you name it.

Agreed 12th they are double binds.

So much easier to treat everyone the same except when it's important to separate /make allowances by sex. Sex which doesn't change. Any, all and no gender expression should be tolerated by everyone. Wear what you want, walk how you like and change your name if you wish. Lots of people enjoy doing those things. But it's ridiculous to think that altering gender expression magically changes your sex based needs. Unless you are one of the vanishingly small number of people who have had genital reassignment surgery and even that doesn't negate your prior life experience or differing body strength.

Alternatively make everything mixed sex. Statistically a shit idea for females of course but whatever. But at least be fucking honest about it.

Basically what is being said is that if you walk in once to a Ladies toilet you pass the test.

Who cares if you wear a dress, paint your nails and wear lipstick. Lots of women don't do any of these things.

Born male. Born female.

Most sexing takes place now by scans during pregnancy. Confirmed at birth.

Bullshit, how would anybody prove that they'd been using the women's toilets.

Maybe you collect stamps on a Loo Card like when you spend a tenner at Waterstones.

I've never been to a doctor's that doesn't have single toilets anyway. They don't expect people to give a urine sample with other people watching.

Use the loos according to your sex.

It has NOTHING TO DO WITH LOOS.

How has it come to pass that problems, which have fuck all to do with us, are up to us to solve? What's going on? Do men think all women are their loving Mummies?

Accessing women's spaces?

What like turning up to a maternity unit?

Getting a smear test?

Being shit scared or joyful over a positive pregnancy test. Or. Being disconsolate over a negative pregnancy test?

Deciding whether or not you want to go through the pain and anguish of a mammogram?

Going for a smear test with a young pre school child in tow?

Being called a t**f and a bigot for suggesting that women have a right to sex segregated spaces even though you may be black, muslim or an orthodox jew?

Going into a refuge scared and with your young children?

Wearing lipstick, a wig and having painted nails doesn't cut it.

Yet Transwomen can and do get GRS.

So how are they doing it if they must use women's spaces for 1 year, yet are apparently barred from doing so?

Surely it follows that the statement quoted is incorrect, therefore the person doesn't have a point?

The NHS has a Gender Dysphoria Protocol that covers Real Life Experience as part of the pre-requisites within the overall gender reassignment treatment plans.

However, I wonder if the specific practicalities of the question might be worth the OP directing it towards someone with first hand knowledge? E.g., Rose of Dawn who seems to be responsive to enquiries on both Twitter and YouTube.

Let's face it. Women's loos are not the real problem. Women have been accepting transwomen in loos for years - they generally try to blend in or "pass". I doubt whether most women would try to remove someone who is genuinely trying to fit in. The problem lies with men who don't want to blend in, they want to shock. They don't shave. They feel they have a right to change in front of women instead of in cubicles. They are not even trying to "live as a woman" (wharever that means).