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'Momentum' video on transgenderism

89 replies

snugglybeans · 06/09/2018 15:37

Was shocked to see this come up on my newsfeed.

The bit where they say: "Your children will definitely have trans friends, they might even be trans themselves" sent shivers down my spine.

Are we supposed to just accept this as inevitable?

It's from Corbyn's main supporters' group I think.

www.facebook.com/PeoplesMomentum/videos/1934599106834234/
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Knicknackpaddyflak · 06/09/2018 16:55

What about gay women, Juno? Oh I forgot. Anyone born female doesn't matter anyway.

I'm gay. I'm not a bloody man. I have no desire, suppressed or otherwise, to be a man, some people just are gay. Anyone who wants to redefine me into a man for their own purposes is in need of a good therapist. That's an outrageous statement.

MyDoctor · 06/09/2018 16:55

I'm assuming the numbers will increase once children who feel uncomfortable in their own skin see that society welcomes them. Even if they are a tiny minority, we have a duty to respect them.

FloralBunting · 06/09/2018 16:47

Society becoming more welcoming to trans kids = lots of mechanisms set up to paint changing sex as an identity 'option' with no thought to the actual real life struggles and vulnerabilities of children and adolescents.

Yep, I don't doubt that there will be more 'trans kids' in that scenario. And there will be nasty consequences further down the line for the people that pushed this ideology. Sadly those consequences will mostly be borne by the poor kids who have been so royally fucked up by the people who need them to be so that the fetishists can be validated.

Mrbatmun · 06/09/2018 16:42

As schools and the wider society become more welcoming places for trans kids, I imagine our children may well have a trans friend within their circle.

When you say 'trans' in this context, what exactly do you mean? I thought gender dysphoria was very rare, that only a tiny percentage of people have it?

Bejazzled · 06/09/2018 16:40

Nope, don't know any at all.

KittyKlawsReturns · 06/09/2018 16:34

As schools and the wider society become more welcoming places for trans kids, I imagine our children may well have a trans friend within their circle.

Not if gender dysphoria is as rare as we are told. Ah, but then again that isn't a requirement anymore is it? Shame the same schools won't be more welcoming for girls.

KittyKlawsReturns · 06/09/2018 16:32

"Your children will definitely have trans friends, they might even be trans themselves"

No they don't - anyway I thought they were meant to be a very small percentage of the population in such small numbers that it is unnecessary for women to worry about them? So how could it be that all children will definitely have trans friends?

There are comments on that video equating people who are concerned about safeguarding in the face of self ID with homophobes. Which is interesting given the interview Juno gave with the Independent containing the quotation given above by Mrbatmun . The problem is people accept the video at face value (and the comments) because they are ignorant of what has really been said by those involved and most of those people would rather remain ignorant as anything T&*(s say is automatically discounted however rational and measured it may be.

MyDoctor · 06/09/2018 16:30

As schools and the wider society become more welcoming places for trans kids, I imagine our children may well have a trans friend within their circle.

KipperTheFrog · 06/09/2018 16:24

I've just seen this on my Facebook. The whole thing made me uncomfortable. Using the gay debate to normalise trans and make out anything less than unquestioning support makes you evil. It's 2 completely different issues!

FloralBunting · 06/09/2018 16:24

Ah yes, Juno Dawson of the coquettishly raised eyebrows and the quite appalling homophobia.

I'll not be taking lessons in bigotry from Momentumites, frankly, given the utter shower around antisemitism right now, and I certainly won't be taking seriously someone who has said what Juno has said about homosexuality when they start comparing the struggle of gay people to the current homophobic transactivist movement.

An instructive video on how certain things are manipulated to cosset all those daft Corbots into rightsideofhistoryism.

"You don't want to be embarrassed, do you? You want to be one of the cool kids, don't you?"

deepwatersolo · 06/09/2018 16:22

thought the same. blatant homobhobia. because, obviously, not being a life long patient paying through your nose for hormones and surgeries (or obsessing about always having a plan that pays) and feeling at home in your intact body without that long list of negative side-effects on your health that hormones and surgery have, is somehow the consolation price.
unbelievable. very disturbing how Corbyn's Labour is hijacked by this cult.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 06/09/2018 16:21

"Your children will definitely have trans friends, they might even be trans themselves"

I thought it is estimated that 0.5% of the population is trans? Isn't it one of the arguments that self id is no problem because so few people are trans, so unlikely to any impact on sex segregated spaces?

Yet my children will definitely have trans friends.

I think we need a definitive definition of trans, because this isn't adding up.

Lottapianos · 06/09/2018 16:20

Yes it is Juno Dawson.

The trans issue is nothing like homophobia

Mrbatmun · 06/09/2018 16:10

Isn't they Juno Dawson in that video?

Juno 'I think there are a lot of gay men out there who are gay men as a consolation prize because they couldn’t be women.' Dawson?

Makes the whole 'homophobia' part of that video rather ironic doesn't it?