'Momentum' video on transgenderism

My concern is that if my son or daughter brought home a trans friend, that I would say or do something that made them feel unwelcome. I try not to judge.

I agree with MyDoctor about trying not to be prejudiced. I totally see the dangers in the self id element, but so many posters on on here seem to be generally uncivil towards trans individuals. I understand it's just 'collateral damage' in the wider debate but it still makes me feel uncomfortable.

I'm mildly irritated about the bottom comment. Just to be clear if my children brought a child identifying as trans home either as a child, teen, young adult I would be as welcoming as I would with all children/young adults. I certainly wouldn't judge (it isn't my place) and I absolutely wouldn't make them feel bad - they would, after all, be young vulnerable people. There is a big difference between disagreeing with an ideology and objecting to it being pushed onto developing minds and being cruel to people following that ideology. A big difference.

For me children and teenagers are never acceptable collateral damage and they would not be treated as such by me to make a point.

I'm making a list of people who will held culpable when the inevitable tide begins to turn and adults start to ask how they as children were allowed to mutilate themselves and engage in activities that were harmful to their physical and mental health.

Juno "children's author and homophobe" Dawson is on that list

This is truly bizzare timing. Shall we interpret that video as an invite to Aimee Challenor, who just became party politically available?

It has now come to the point that debate and openness on this issue leads to transphobia and bigotry oh and being called a nazi. It's the perfect riposte and the perfect way to silence and acceptance.

And it reminds me of this:

If you tell anyone you'll get into trouble
You will be seen as the bad person

Why are they having a homophobe give this talk?

Seems to be a LOT of homophobic and misogynist characters advocating on this topic.

Placemats,

Yeah, my bad...

The tag line 'Can We Not Just Skip It' and Juno's faux casual exasperation with all this talk of women being concerned that their own rights might be being eroded and that children may be being harmed?

I mean yeah, being prevented from riding totally roughshod all over someone else's rights just to validate yourself must just be like soooooooo annoying.......

According to some of the various definitions flying around,

Pretty much everyone is trans.

So yes everyone will know loads of trans kids and trans adults as well.

Most people espeically girls would hesistate before "identifying" wholeheartedly with the expectations around presentation and behaviour that are assocaited with the sexes.

Alice you can't have one without the other, otherwise you are a bigot. And a person that rhymes with surf.

Is it time for a public service announcement?

Anyhoo, if being inclusive means letting kids be who they want to be, wear what they want to wear, play with what they want etc, them I am 100% there and happy. I'll even call John, Jane if they prefer it.

Butt if it means that girls have to "welcome" boys into sporting events and see all their dreams of success shattered or if girls demand they play rugby with the boys and get badly injured, if it means girls have to shower next to a boy or sleep in a tent with him. Then no, sorry.

Is this the Juno Dawson who said

'A lot of gay men are gay men as a consolation prize because they couldn't become women'?

twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1037641263103832064

Yes, the poor men being excluded and oppressed by female only spaces - that exist for women's safety.

It's exactly like the struggle for civil rights in the USA.

Crystal ball gazing?

'More and more people will come out as trans now!'

Or happy to allow Ian Huntley to self Id (he already has) as trans?

Lie with dogs and you pick up fleas.

Handy tip. Stop coming down with the kidz persona. It's cringe.

Mrbatmun, yup.

It's that time of day again, I didn't realize it was bingo time, but sex-based spaces = racial segregation is always a heartwarmer, isn't it?

There's bound to be some friction, like after desegregation in America

Hang on, are you comparing the end of sex segregated spaces and allowing any man to 'self id' as a woman to the desegregation of black and white people in public spaces? Whaaaaaaaaat?

Who is the target audience?

Disgruntled Greens?

How come my children will 'definitely have trans friends', yet I have no trans friends, haven't taught any trans children, or worked with any trans people? Where were they before now?

I think this video also deserves the comment:

'Interesting timing'

I’m a Momentum member (and an elected officer in my area).

I will be asking questions about democracy in relation to this position. I certainly haven’t voted.,.

Then I hope to goodness your children aren't gay and never bring a gay friend home. Your denial is ridiculous.

There's bound to be some friction, like after desegregation in America

ODFOD.

Well, if Momentum manage to piss off the LGBs with this - especially the Gs - it might turn out to be a good thing

Whether it's learned behaviour or not, they exist, so we have to accommodate them. There's bound to be some friction, like after desegregation in America, but it will pass over time. I could be wrong of course, it's just my worldview. Do unto others etc.

If however the way to make them fully included and comfortable is to stamp out the rights and identities of other groups, something has got extremely fucked up somewhere and any sane person needs to do some critical thinking.

This this this. And it is what is being expected. It's not at all a reasonable expectation.