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MipMipMip · 06/09/2018 12:05

Because let's be honest, we'll need it.

To answer a question from the last thread.

Some of Stonewall's LGB / bullying materials are really good. How can they jeopardise this work by ignoring safeguarding in this way?

Because poor Aimee had no idea that any of it was real and believed her convicted animal abuser and had no possible reason to think he was set up and entirely honest. And anyway she had no idea of how serious the accusations were. Poor Aimee.

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BeyondAnOmnishambles · 09/09/2018 01:49

EL again ?? My, my...

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay · 08/09/2018 17:00

Yes, it's the same Edward Lord of Hampstead Ponds fame. He was also previously the Chair of Swim England who wrote the trans swimming guidelines that inspired ManFriday.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 08/09/2018 16:25

Bloody hell it is. Murkier and murkier.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 08/09/2018 16:21

Is this the same Edward Lord of swimming pool fame?

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2018 15:41

Does he know what happened in his local party?

He surely would have known David Challenor and Tina Challenor. What with Tina being membership secretary. Is Tina still acting in that role?

theOtherPamAyres · 08/09/2018 15:27

Does he know what happened in his local party?

The Young Greens are starting to experience a strange phenomenon: the tweets that used to get a round of applause are being derided and mocked.

One tweeted that Darren Johnson (the senior and respected Green) would be sorry once he felt the backlash from a party united against transphobia. He demanded a full apology, withdrawal, and a time of reflection for Darren.

His censorious, lofty tone was rather similar to Witch-doctor Haddock's.

I don't think he knows what's hit him yet. Grin

Juells · 08/09/2018 15:12

He's incapable of using the word 'woman' without qualifying it to show how trans friendly he is. Don't you just love how all these woke bros bang on about violent women? Hands up anyone here who's ever expected to be sexually assaulted by a woman?

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 08/09/2018 15:03

Arrrgh, he doesn't see the relevance of genitalia for rape or seem to understand that males have anatomical advantages over females above and beyond "weight". He's going to be a doctor!

Claims that trans women are as capable of assault as, wait for it, 'cis' women. Not men. Obviously. Does he know what happened in his local party?

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 08/09/2018 14:55

We have another one!

mobile.twitter.com/Brummy/status/1038356915942772736

This charmer on Jess Phillips' thread discussing Karen White was a Green Party candidate, lives in Coventry and is a medical student.

theOtherPamAyres · 07/09/2018 21:23

According to Wikipedia, Oaten and prostituted men indulged in coprophilia. Something to do with shitting.

There seems to be a lot of literal shit around the men on the Left.

theOtherPamAyres · 07/09/2018 21:14

@NotaFeckingDay Thanks. If anyone is still looking at links and trails, then Edward Lord, Liberal Democrat, is the name that keeps coming up time and again, for the wrong reasons.

(Mark Oaten resigned over a prostituted man)

From the article:

Edward Lord, his election agent, said he had been 'shocked' by the disclosures but insisted they had not affected his political duties:

'From what I know of Mark, I think this was an aberration. We are a liberal party and for the party and its members, Mark's private life was just that. His performance, I don't think, was ever affected by any of these issues.'

He was shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

2BorNot2Bvocal · 07/09/2018 20:54

NotAnotherFecking that's an interesting article. EL was shocked!

numberseven · 07/09/2018 17:57

Wait, so Aimee's friends moderate actuallesbians??? I'm starting to think the TRA circles are really small (and surprisingly influential).

EverardDigby · 07/09/2018 17:39

There is an amazing thread from a senior Green, Theo Simon (Frome, Somerset).

Theo's responses are pretty good, but Darren Johnson whose tweet it follows on from was a Green Party London Assembly Member and is also gay, so he's potentially influential. Tweet:

"While I am 100% in favour of challenging and subverting gender stereotypes I do not believe males can become female and I do not believe females can become male. If this gets me expelled from @TheGreenParty after 31 years then so be it."

He's getting some grief but appears to be holding firm and has apologised for not saying something sooner. There are other "senior" people in the party who might not be overtly agreeing with him but are defending his right to free speech. And lots of other agreeing with him of course. This is good news. I wonder whether it leaves Olivia.

theOtherPamAyres · 07/09/2018 16:45

@ohbuggerandarse

Well done. The whole thread must be a wake up call for Patrick Harvie. (he 'liked' the tweet from Cass McGregor, then unliked it)

I thought this tweet was good:

Former green voting Scot here, you won’t be getting my vote again with your anti -science, anti woman, pro prostitution and pro-sex abuser stance. Disappear into obscurity. Anyone canvassing will get their lugs burned.

twitter.com/cassmacg/status/1037321742061109248

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay · 07/09/2018 16:36

Mark Oaten made an unsuccessful attempt to become Lib Dem leader in 2006 shortly before the sex scandal broke. His agent was Edward Lord.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/jan/22/uk.liberaldemocrats

IamalsoSpartacus · 07/09/2018 15:24

So it's pretty clear from the research many people have posted to twitter that AC enjoys 'adult baby' sex games.

Another politician with leadership ambitions who had an unusual taste in sex was Mark Oaten. Media didn't hold back on him in the slightest when it was revealed that he enjoed being humiliated by male escorts. His political career was ruined.

What's the difference here, apart from the teflon "brave and stunning" sheild?

theOtherPamAyres · 07/09/2018 14:36

This was the guy who took a more pro-GC stance after the elections were over, right ?

I think the poster Rachel was pointing out the irony of being blocked by a person who was demanding examination of the GP's association with Blockers.

I get the impression that his suspension happened before the scandal. If so, it would be reasonable for him to block GP members that he no longer wanted to engage with or hear from.

OhBuggerandArse · 07/09/2018 14:27

I resigned from the Scottish Green Party today. I kept my letter focussed on Cass MacGregor's 'resign if you don't like it there's no room for debate' tweet and the need for respectful dialogue and discussion, just because I didn't want them to junk my letter out of hand. But if they come back with a reply (I'm not holding my breath) I'll see how many more arguments I might be able to bring in to the discussion.

Freespeecher · 07/09/2018 14:21

Blimey! Hell hath no woman like a Furry scorned.

CesiraAndEnrico · 07/09/2018 13:58

OK, that makes sense. Because I'm fairly sure it was his account I was looking at on... Monday I think, and he was taking a pasting for not following the TRA line.

So this is looking like a revenge suspension. For WrongSpeak. And Green LGBTJDNDKDNSKFN appear to have gone all gossipy over it, giving once more plentiful examples of their gleaming "professionalism".

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 07/09/2018 12:38

Cesira my understanding was that he was suspended after his GC stance. Or wasn't allowed to speak on behalf of the party, anyway.

MipMipMip · 07/09/2018 11:56

I have eventually found how to complain that the Green Party sending out pre filled forms could bias the GRA discussion. If you agree it could be prejudicial you can complain at www.parliament.uk/feedback.

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CesiraAndEnrico · 07/09/2018 09:09

twitter.com/rachel_shares/status/1037706514885160960?s=21

Any background on this ? This was the guy who took a more pro-GC stance after the elections were over, right ?

And now he's been suspended ? Or was suspended before ? And the Green LGBTNDJDJDKDKDJDJFJ are involved in, or spreading gossip they shouldn't know about his suspension ?

There are a lot of acronyms that I don't understand in the convo and ai'm struggling with who's who. But it looks like it might point to some long per standing stress fractures starting to shear apart.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 07/09/2018 07:04

BBC might mistake it for an educational video