Janice Turner's column in the Times

True, foxes are predators. I think round our way they mainly go for chickens and rabbits.
When I say my cats have always gone a hunting, they only rarely catch anything. Too fat and lazy!
I don't read newspaper opinion pieces except Janice, via here, and she is great- fearless and straight to the point.

I agree some pressure needs to go in Stonewall's direction. That's a house of cards in waiting.

Isn't it? Stonewall either need to start acknowledging reality and acting like they give a shit or their house of cards is going to come tumbling down.

It's brilliant she keeps asking pertinent questions around this subject - and yes she is absolutely right about the Greens and the media coverage.

I wonder if she's used a deodour spray- if not first accidental then it could be smelling like place cat needs to go. Though those lemon scented wipes can also put them off going where you don’t want.

Though I don’t get the anti-litter tray thing – there are loads out there one with hoods and even charcoal filters and many different types of litter. If the cat won’t use at all people like Jaxson Galaxy on you tube often have good tips.

My cat adores being out at night - she then sleeps all day. I prefer this as the little madam is nosy and has been locked in people's garages a few times, once for 4 days. She does have a covered litter tray in the house - not that she uses it often.

As always it is good to see Janice calling out the discrepancies in how this 'scandal' would have played out for anyone else in politics and how it has been downplayed by both the Greens and certain media outlets.

Great article on the double standards. Janice continues to nail it in this issue.

But I also raised an eyebrow at the cat thing. You can't lock an ill elderly cat outside all night fgs. Just get a litter tray!

Our cat came home with a bat a few nights ago, I'm pretty sure it was dead already when he found it though.

Our cat came ‘litter-trained’, so that is just what we have always had.

Mine goes out at night but if she was 15 and shitting everywhere I'd presume she was coming to the end of her time and I'd get a litter tray.

The only thing my cat hunts is discarded tissues.

(She used to make piles of them under the bed, like a snotty little nest.)

Why don't people put their cats out at night?

They all went out a hunting on a night!

I think you may have answered your own question there.

Both of the cats I've had in my life took themselves off to bed at about 9pm and would have been appalled (and you all know what that's like from a cat) if I'd suggested slinging them out at night. Both had catflaps, so had easy access to the outdoors at all times.

Good piece apart from the litter tray but which is nonsense.

Well Janice is in London, what about foxes? I don't fancy the chances of an elderly, sick cat in a scuffle with a fox.

But yes, feline foot warmer is a useful thing, at least until they get annoyed at you for turning over.

What kind of predators? Really this is you not wanting to have to buy slippers isn't it angry?

Would relent RE litter tray for an old poorly puss though, soz Janice!

I never have because either too much traffic or too many predators. Plus cats that would whinge and sulk, and that like to sleep on my feet.

Why don't people put their cats out at night?
Had cats all my life-all have lived to be very old and very healthy and we never had a litter tray past kitten hood.
They all went out a hunting on a night! (Although my current bagpuss sticks to the sofa when it rains).

I agree some pressure needs to go in Stonewall's direction. That's a house of cards in waiting.

The Times today also has another comment piece on DV, and a news article on proposal to raise marriage age to 18 to try to help prevent forced marriage of girls. I started another thread with shared links for those who are interested.

It's about time the spotlight turned onto Stonewall. Well said, Janice.

That AIBU thread is gold.

It seems like Janice doesn't quite get cats. Has anyone tried to explain the reasons why cat's shitting habits may have changed, etc? I didn't think anyone still put their cat out at night...

I don't know why JT thinks cats only want to crap at night. Give your cat the access to toileting facilities (via flap or litter tray) at all times and they'll use it when they need to.

Go Janice!

If only Janice had been given the opportunity to ask 'valued for what?'.

Stonewall are so bedazzled by their own and belief that wokeness is in the DNA of the demographic that matter and will be on the right side of history that they really can't see how this looks. Nor that this might give people cause for concern about how well they are abiding by Nolan principles.

There seem to be lots of cats scheming how to abuse or misuse their litter tray in this, If Pets had AIBU thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3356291-If-pets-had-AIBU