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Who's going to the WEP Conference this weekend? Fancy a thread?

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RhymesWithOrange · 04/09/2018 22:22

I'm the only person I know going. I would be interested to get others MNers thoughts on the conference and the agenda as it happens.

And of course the emergency debate.

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Ereshkigal · 08/09/2018 15:35

GEO Guidance for Employers on recruitment and retention of transgender staff

Pretty sure this was written by Gendered Intelligence.

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 15:34

All very legal so far, just reviewing the current legislation.

5000 applications to GRP in the last 13 years. Vast majority passed/accepted.

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speakingwoman · 08/09/2018 15:34

Heck you type fast....

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 15:32

Starting the discussion with identifying the issues:
Toilets & facilities
Exceptions
Legal recognition
Identity / intersex / non-binary
Right to be forgotten

Background context:
ECtHR: B v France & Goodwin v UK
GRA 2004
EU Equal Treatment Directive
Equality Act 2010
Human Rights Act 1998
Data Protection Act / GDPR

S7 EQA 2010 - removal of medical requirement
Process of gender reassignment
Discrimination by perception
Gender identity: non binary / gender fluid - not tested yet

Workplace discrimination
Part 5 of EA 2010
Two types of discrimination - direct and indirect
Exceptions: occupational requirements
GEO Guidance for Employers on recruitment and retention of transgender staff
Some exceptions - e.g. intimate care needs - must be proportionate

Provision of goods and services
Part 3 of EQA 2010
Single-sex or separately provided services- paras 26-28
Communal accommodation - para 3 of section 23 to EQA
EHRC Guidance & CoP for service providers

Gender Recognition Act 2004
S1 application for GRC
SS2&3 evidential requirements and determination of application by Gender Recognition Panel
Recognition based on: diagnosis, lived experience, intention and agreement to comply with S3
S4 Grant of application/issue of GRC
S9 legal recognition of "acquired" gender

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speakingwoman · 08/09/2018 15:31

“Men and women’s bodies are different. Where this applies, pharmaceutical companies should be required to label their bottles ‘Not tested on women.’ Sophie Walker, @WEP_UK leaders speech 2018 #WEP2018 #WE2018”

:)

speakingwoman · 08/09/2018 15:29

So far it’s sounded inspirational!

SturdyEarMuffs · 08/09/2018 15:25

Place marking for this bit.

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 15:09

We're in the 'Changes to the Gender Recognition Act' session being run by two barristers - Catherine Casserley and Claire McCann.

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Ereshkigal · 08/09/2018 15:07

Glad to hear it!

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 14:41

It felt dangerous at first. But it's bloody lovely to be amongst like minded people.

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Popchyk · 08/09/2018 14:37

Ooh.

Be really interested to hear the outcome of that Rhymes.

Even managing to get together to have a conversation about it is a victory at this point.

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 14:28

The self organised GC women and men are meeting. It's exciting! Feeling of urgency, of the vital importance of this work.

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 13:42

Funny gag about clitorises. Fairly uncommon topic for party leaders' conference speeches Grin

Themes: hope; making a difference in a different way; how men consistently fuck up the economy and politics; Brexit; male privilege; gender pay gap; over emphasis on male dominated area of the economy - construction, manufacturing, financial services; disproportionate effect of public service cuts on women.

Lots of great stuff and a chuck of easily digestible sound bites for the meedja.

Lots of clapping and whooping. I'm not much of a whooper.

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 13:04

Leader's speech. Lots of love in the room for Sophie.

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Cwenthryth · 08/09/2018 12:33

Seeing some FPFW ‘hands off my rights’ leaflets about. And overhearing encouraging conversations.

MnerXX · 08/09/2018 12:33

A really good range of topics. Sounds brilliant. Hope everything goes well for the GRA stuff

Cwenthryth · 08/09/2018 12:04

Sandi was amazing, spoke intelligently, passionately, entertaining and deadly serious.

Her best line was about building an economy that serves our society, rather than a society that serves our economy.

In response to a question from the floor, she also revealed that she is paid 40% of what Stephen Fry was paid for QI, and the same as Alan Davies (who isn’t the host).

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 11:50

Sandi was brilliant. Standing ovation for her. Funny and informative.

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tiredandweary · 08/09/2018 11:08

Sounds a great selection of women's issues being debated - how refreshing.
Now if they can boot that elephant out of the room and get back to their one core purpose (it's in the name), then just maybe they might offer an alternative to the other dire political parties.

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 11:03

Hannah was awesome. They all were.

Waiting for the next session to start, "grossly undervalued domestic product" - women, economics, pay gap, caring etc.

I've seen some women with the Fair Play for Women leaflet and discussing it but I didn't want to eavesdrop.

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arranfan · 08/09/2018 10:52

Am now in a session about inequalities in health.

Gah, if I'd seen this area I'd have asked you to say Hello to Hannah Bareham-Brown for me. :)

Cwenthryth · 08/09/2018 10:45

The twitter hashtag is #WE2018 if anyone wants to see more about what’s going on.

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 10:33

Second session. Big data: will technology fix inequality or deepen it.

Speakers so far are really interesting, if not strictly all about big data. Talking about sex robots now.

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RhymesWithOrange · 08/09/2018 09:18

I'm back! Have made (electronic) contact with two other MNers here.

Am now in a session about inequalities in health. All very interesting and important.

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Cwenthryth · 08/09/2018 08:05

No the 3 minutes was the time individuals were permitted at open mic night to talk about whatever they wanted to talk to the room about. Complete free reign, no pre-moderation. Sandi stood up next to one woman who was nervous speaking to support her, not knowing what she wanted to talk about (it was PhD research into women’s safety online and how feminists use social media).

Also 3 min time limit on individual speakers during debates but not debates themselves. There is a timetable for Sunday - and over 30 motions to be debated - GRA is only one. There is 65 mins timetabled for equalities legislation (1 of 10 categories on the agenda) and there are 4 motions under that - equal pay & equal caregiving; including socio-economic status in the EA; maintaining EA protections (amendment to GRA motion); and the GRA motion.

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