Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

Stella Creasey is on a guest post invoking SEX as a protected characteristic for legislation!

231 replies

BarrackerBarmer · 04/09/2018 17:46

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/3355761-Stella-Creasy-guest-post-If-MNers-act-today-you-can-help-make-street-harassment-a-hate-crime

Right now!

OP posts:
Maryzsnewaccount · 04/09/2018 19:22

" If enough people ask, surely they will listen? Or is this wishful thinking?" - as Mumsnetters said to the NSPCC

[sigh]

LangCleg · 04/09/2018 19:20

Looking at the thread and sighing!

I agree with tiredandweary saying that it's an important issue and a shame if the thread goes awry and, of course, it did.

That said, not at all well handled by MNHQ. If you invite on one of the most prominent TWAW Labour MPs in the very week an epic scandal has erupted in the Greens over this issue, you're going to get a lot of angry women who want answers to their safeguarding questions and real time access to a politician who is supposed to be accountable.

How stupid to not have pre-primed Creasey that this would happen so that Creasey had a rapid response ready, could give it, and then move on to her bill.

And how stupid to double down on that by rudely deleting any uppity dissenters, thus cementing their conviction that nobody is prepared to be held accountable for public statements in favour of policies that generate safeguarding failures.

Sorry MNHQ. You did not shine with glory there.

AccioWine · 04/09/2018 19:14

I would suggest best thing to do would be contacting your MP and asking them to make sure it is clarified in the debate. Because this is not going to answered on that thread. If enough people ask, surely they will listen? Or is this wishful thinking?

HotRocker · 04/09/2018 19:12

Oh dear, MN web chats have gone so well over the last week haven’t they.

LemonJello · 04/09/2018 19:09

What does it mean when someone can’t receive pms? Are they banned?

redshoeblueshoe · 04/09/2018 19:04

I thought HQ pulled threads when they became holier than thou Grin

Maryzsnewaccount · 04/09/2018 19:01

No woman should have to fear when she gets on a tube train that the man opposite has a mobile phone with him and what he might try to do with it

Define woman. Define man. How do we know which is which?

Maryzsnewaccount · 04/09/2018 19:00

Jaysus, that thread is holier than a sieve Shock

It also contains no definition of "woman"

However, the fact that there is support from the likes of Stonewall and the Fawcett Society and others who appear to have an interesting definition of "woman" and therefore (presumably) an alternative definition of misogyny, makes the entire thing a fucking head-exploding pile of confusing shite.

Charliethefeminist · 04/09/2018 18:46

It's not really about self ID, it's more about GRC.

HotRocker · 04/09/2018 18:29

Oh, I got deleted. I’ll get myself deleted again because all I wrote was we‘ll stop asking questions when we get satisfactory answers. It’s against talk guidelines, apparently.

redshoeblueshoe · 04/09/2018 18:28

Well that's a waste of bloody time.

If TWAW then natal women can just fuck off Angry

Charliethefeminist · 04/09/2018 18:27

No she wouldn't!

EmpressOfSpartacus · 04/09/2018 18:27

Hebe wouldn't be either.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 04/09/2018 18:25

I don't think Dawn would be so heavy handed

LadybirdsAreBirds · 04/09/2018 18:25

I could cry. I really could. I made the totally valid point that we can't have a discussion unless we can define who it is we are protecting. And that Stellas' brilliant desire to protect women from men should protect women from men

HotRocker · 04/09/2018 18:24

I told our favourite mod ever so politely in not so many words to go forth and multiply.

Charliethefeminist · 04/09/2018 18:23

Stella's belief that transwomen are women is misogynistic. Anyway, more deletions to come I'm sure.

Charliethefeminist · 04/09/2018 18:22

It's obvious that's what it is. And an attempt to get women to support their redefinition.

loveyouradvice · 04/09/2018 18:21

Interesting ... naturally applaud....

But why was Stonewall consulted??????????

That makes me suspicious and as if this is just one step in a two step dance....

Charliethefeminist · 04/09/2018 18:21

Lydia

This must be by biological sex or it will enshrine in law a definition of woman including XY. I will be writing to my MP to say this.

redshoeblueshoe · 04/09/2018 18:18

Well HQ have already banned further questions about self Id

or shut up women unless you have a penis

carceralfeminist · 04/09/2018 18:01

Well, this is interesting. But remember that if she is on the self-ID side, this may affect how she views the legal category of "sex?"

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/09/2018 18:01

I haven't read it yet but are we sure it doesn't mean she is so far gone she thinks trans people actually change sex?

bd67th · 04/09/2018 18:00

[[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/3355761-Stella-Creasy-guest-post-If-MNers-act-today-you-can-help-make-street-harassment-a-hate-crime
Clicky link]]

BettyDuMonde · 04/09/2018 17:58

Methinks some of our elected representatives have started ‘peaking’.