Stella Creasey is on a guest post invoking SEX as a protected characteristic for legislation!

I’m really confused about who posted a post partum photo of someone and where they did it.

Tried to post this but the thread disapparated

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I looked like a bloated, dead, fish postpartum.

It’s a funny night on Mumsnet when shaming new mums is ok, but criticising porn isn’t.

Better hurry up with the anti misogyny laws, us women clearly need them to stay safe.

Sietersofmercy and stefiewoodcock are clearly tagteam TRAs.

I just had a reply deleted, that was in reply to stefies suggestion that basically the meaning of misogyny needs to be widened to include male people, for fucks sake. But this

I've reported those comments to the mods. Apologies for that horrendous abuse, hopefully those abusive trolls will be removed.

Along with other questionable comments, kind of proves that they are just trying to get women banned.

Agreed that late the day before is not the time you ask if you are an organized person genuinely trying to muster support. Would most MPs even read new messages from constituents just before the vote?

Come on, MN alone cannot take the blame. Stella herself must have known that this would come up!

I thought the point of guestposts rather than webchats was that they didn't have to engage anyway..

I am suspicious of Stellas motives, to be honest, if its tomorrow. She must know that not many MPs will be able to do anything at a days notice? And that many won't even check their emails tonight.

As I said on the other thread:
And what’s the betting if this doesn’t go through it will all be down to Mumsnetters? Despite us only being approached late in the day, the day before.

Another one agreeing with Lang. Stella is a politician - if she'd been prepped that this was a question likely to come up she'd have had an answer ready, and expected the question to come up. MNHQ must have known it would come up. Any egg on their faces is due to not planning appropriately, and should not be blamed on the wimminz being too uppity.

This is what I was trying to post:

That thread is making me feel physically ill.

I haven't found you lot on Reddit (or wherever you are) yet, but I might have to.

I can't believe they deleted ReluctantCamper's post (and mine), reinstated it, and then lied about it

Oh no maryz that is bad news. Proper shitty. I'm sorry.

As in, I've been logged out and can't log back in.

Looks like I've been banned for the first time in 17 years.

Oh well, nice knowing you all.

I think it's bed time

It is impossible to have a dialogue about women's issues with a person who denies what and who women are.

This

I don't understand how posters asking about self ID and such are stopping others from contributing to the thread. Nor how GC posters are apparently making people miss this once in a lifetime opportunity for women. HOW? Stellas not engaging anyway, so surely every post made bumps the thread so more women actually see it.

Bit sick of this new trend of accusing GC posters of being either anti-children or anti-women mind.

My replies on that thread were before I read this one. Yes it is suspect that stonewall (arguably one of the most misogynistic organisations around, in their current form) were consulted on this. This does make me suspect this ammendment, and the reason for it.

It's all a bit of a shit show, currently.
I wonder if this is the new #no debate? #debate but only within these parameters I have set?
Furious calls of derailing and silencing other voices, as if there is limited space for debate.
But then again my paranoia has begun to get the better of me.

The gas lighting on that other thread!
I’ve felt the need to screenshot all of my posts on it.

So this thread is back

I've just been deleted for saying that deleting and reinstating posts, and then telling posters they've said things they haven't said is gaslighting.

ffs

Stella's belief that transwomen are women is misogynistic

Agreed.

I’m not forwarding this onto anyone else lest it sew women up onto a tight little box under law, that includes male bodies.

Maryz I know, it's unlikely. Ever the optimist me Not really, but I am despairing at this point and willing to hope for a miracle!

'Why grandma, what big teeth you have.
All the better to eat you with my dear'

Not buying it, sorry. Read between the lines. They are asking women to be complicit in their erasure. Stonewall's involvement is huge red flag for me.

"we're asking the Government to commit to a full review of all hate crime which includes misogyny"

As posie asked on the other thread, if a trans women abuses a woman is that misogyny? What other hate crimes do they want reviewing exactly?
If they can't get speaking about our pesky biology made a hate crime they will find a work around. Like adding xy to the definition of women then they can claim anything GC is misogynistic because of their legal sex status.

I agree with LangCleg
At the time I couldn't see how it could have been handled better but, yes MNHQ should have anticipated this.
Having said that, I am uncomfortable that a really important issue was hijacked by this. Stella Creasy is a good constituency MP and she faces an uphill battle to be reselected. She also puts her head above the parapet for women's issues time after time. I totally disagree with her views about TWAW etc but that doesn't stop me recognising a bloody good woman and feminist MP.
She has to face the misogynists day after day, including those itching to deselect her and I'm not going to add myself to the list of those opposing positive measures for women because I'm frustrated at her views on TWAW.

Maryz