Stella Creasey is on a guest post invoking SEX as a protected characteristic for legislation!

I agree that kinkshaming is a bullshit word but it's quite an interesting one because it shows that they know they are pushing the boundaries about what is socially acceptable.
I first heard about the AB/DL thing a few weeks ago when Neville Whatshisface was going to host an activist on his twitter takeover but then cancelled it because he was made to feel like a twat. How can you straight up advocate a nappy fetish?! And Jess Bradley implying that it was OK to get her penis out at work and wank in public, as long as nobody saw it. This is all happening because of porn and we need to push back against it.

Yeah, words mean things. The good thing is, rather than appropriate existing ones we can make up new ones...

Autogynephilia + misogyny = automisogyphilia?

Well that is exactly it it, Datun. Clearly the MO by the TRAs on the hidden thread was to broaden the definition of 'misogyny' so as to make it entirely meaningless as a description of anything specific. One of the ways they do that is by throwing out jargonized terms like 'kink shaming' et al, to derail any useful focus.

For some TRAs I think the motivation for doing this is to be so wide with the definition of misogyny that people with certain proclivities towards validation can be included, whether they are of the female sex or not.

For other TRAs it's so that the application of misogyny is so unworkable, hatred of women can be completely unchecked.

Sadly, in practice, there doesn't seem to be a hair's breadth between these two motivations.

And then there are other monkeys wanking over the idea of the first set wanking, and another group wanking over the idea of "despoiling" infinity, and another group wanking over the idea of women noticing, and...

The only problem with kinkshaming is being kinkshamed is an actual kink.

I posted earlier about how my dim and distant past as a phone sex chat line operator taught me that there is no end to predilections of pervy men - they really are like monkeys wanking into infinity.

BettyDuMonde
That cracked me right up. Takes a couple of Dickensian winters to climatise.❄️❄️❄️

I mean, if someone attempted to shame me for liking long hair on men I'd just be confused, because what's shameful about that? If the things you like involve hurting people, otoh...

I don't agree there is any such thing as kink shaming. If it's not shameful, then they shouldn't be worried.

It's a new word to stop women condemning perverts and misogynists.

Well I condemn. And judge.

And if asked, I can quite easily say why.

And if that's offensive, so what?

I’m definitely not being held responsible for getting a gazebo back home from the pub!

Please do repost it, Dr Radfem- it was a great comment.

Stella C might even have time to pop by and read it.

Have we got an umbrella as well now?

The umbrella has been widened so much it’s a bloody gazebo.

I saved your comment Drradfem (to send to my MP) if you would like me to post it?

'I love the atheist feminist lesbian activist Greta Christina, she's produced a lot of BDSM porn. I know she is based in the US but I don't think she'd be happy with her sisters in the UK being banned from producing porn because "drradfem" thinks it is "perverted"...'

I DGAF what pornographers think about me

'"When did men's sexual perversions become socially acceptable and progressive? What are the Labour Party going to do about this? " ... Are you implying that viewing, creating, enjoying pornography should be a hate crime? Or made illegal?'

I certainly think that violent pornography should be made illegal. And we should bloody well kinkshame till the cows come home.

I strongly suggest to heed Lisa Muggeridge‘s advice.
We know who we are. We are women, adult human females, and nobody gets to define our boundaries for us. This very fact is a narcisstic injury to those, whose false identity we do not validate by asserting our boundaries. The only thing left to do is let their narcisstic rage play out (they can‘t help it), calmly document and record their male pattern abusive behaviour and on this basis hold decision makers‘ feet to the fire regarding protection from male abuse. E.g. Posting that pic of a post partum woman? This guy will never pass as a woman. It is typical male abusive behaviour. They are so pathological, they even feel compelled to invade a chatforum for mothers. to realize they feel compelled to do so...
We are Winning this. By simply asserting our boundaries as women.

It was a long comment about how porn culture makes women unsafe and how men's paraphilias have become socially acceptable and that it's progressive to defend them.

I'm so angry about this atm. What fucking world are we living in when we can't define misogyny because nobody dares define what a woman is? How can exhibitionist perverted men accuse US of 'slut shaming', 'kinkshaming' and MISOGYNY?

I’m transnorthern - born in the Home Counties, living in Manchester. The first winter I was here I got chilblains. I thought they were something from a Dickensian novel or an empty threat (like failing your 11 plus and having to work in a lampshade factory) but it turns out they are real!

And they hurt!

Ha ha I beleive we are being given an umbrella-but I’m not taking it. I’m northern and completely impervious to rain.

Have we got an umbrella as well now?

I invariably leave mine in the pub. Can’t be trusted with it.

I prefer a plastic rain bonnet, actually. Channelling me Nan.

misogyny sorry I’m crap at spelling.

How convenient that the Stella comes back right when the thread goes poof. I bet shes also not going to be around to reply tomorrow when its reinstated either

It’s a go-around; you can’t presumably charge a trans woman with mysoginy against a woman if you redefine woman, get mysoginy listed as a hate crime and anybody under the new woman umbrella can say what they like to women and girls. Not that they aren’t just doing that now anyway in droves. What a shame Mums net didn’t allow the thread to run on too.

You got replies venice..

'"When did men's sexual perversions become socially acceptable and progressive? What are the Labour Party going to do about this? " ... Are you implying that viewing, creating, enjoying pornography should be a hate crime? Or made illegal?'

and

'I love the atheist feminist lesbian activist Greta Christina, she's produced a lot of BDSM porn. I know she is based in the US but I don't think she'd be happy with her sisters in the UK being banned from producing porn because "drradfem" thinks it is "perverted"...'

In case my comment also gets deleted for talking back to teacher, I'll summarize it here as "we shouldn't need hate crime legislation to ban upskirting, as upskirting should already be a crime in its own right".