Telegraph article about NSPCC v MN users

There has been some suggestions for charities that do just that following the NSPCC debacle. Can't remember what thread though.

Yes Beamur. I wish mumsnetters could create an index of worthy charities when the majority of funds goes to the front line and who are watertight with safeguarding.
It is frustrating not knowing.
I wonder if we could create a thread to be an informal index for our own use?

I had a letter recently from the NSPCC asking why I had stopped my direct debit to them. So I told them I was unimpressed that they refused to answer the perfectly reasonable questions posed about safeguarding to the MN community and then didn't bother responding to me when I asked a question directly. So I am choosing instead to donate to smaller charities with a tighter focus. And no dodgy blind spots.

I don't donate either now knickknack. Fuck that.

Plus all crimes wpuld he reported as being commuted by a woman so there would be no way to find out really

What really worries me about men who self ID as female and are allowed to be in segregated areas for women is that, people who are fighting for it are so militant and refuse to accept other opinions on the matter - does this mean that any incidents that occur because of it are going to be glossed over and ignored?

This is a mjor issue I have with GG - they are so sold at top level I can image there being load of pressure on people to keep quiet if something did happen.

At local level the leaders I#ve spoken to are very concerned with the entire thing and very worried.

If you're going to practice necromancy at least bring back Cleopatra or someone interesting like that

My vote would be for Hildegard von Bingen or Aphra Behn. What a great idea for a thread...

Sorry, but what? People comment on bits of threads and comments all the time. Please don’t shut down free comment. Nobody needs to respond if they do not wish to.
I was responding to a comment that a certain view was conservative, and in my view, it is not.
There is enough silencing of women without adding to it on here.

Apoohies

Abortion is totally irrelevant to this thread, so please take that conversation elsewhere

I am not conservative Hestia and I think abortion allows men to not take responsibility for their actions. Not that I would seek to curtail legal access to abortion, but it is surely obvious that it means a fall back option which women can be pressured or coerced into by men who don’t want to take the responsibility which a free choice for women implies (because free choice means being able to go ahead with the pregnancy too)

Well the article linked in the deleted post pretty much agreed with LikeDust, in every respect.

Any reasonable parent would have concerns about an impregnation-capable boy claiming to be lesbian and sharing overnight accommodation with girls.

Not to mention
a) the fact that parents are not to be told about this or allowed to make an informed choice for their child, and
b) this is totally contrary to the safeguarding rules for any other biological male. As if gender choices remove biology.

and

c) The NSPCC have the 'pants' rule for children, which goes on about 'your body is your own', 'if you feel uncomfortable you have the right to say no' and no one gets to see your body - while also simultaneously holding the position that a teenaged girl, saying no she does not want to get undress and shower alongside a fully intact teenaged male bodied transgirl because she's uncomfortable is to be reminded that she is expected to be inclusive and kind. And the NSPCC say they can't see the whopping great glaring problem staring them in the face with this.

That is what they ran away from facing on MN. That was the question they didn't dare answer. And that was the day I stopped donating to them because that's utterly indefensible.

I slowly begin to understand why some conservative women think abortion is bad because it lets men avoid responsibility for their actions.

Yes, I think that women completely need body autonomy, and I'm completely pro choice, but yes, the fact that exists is exploited by men.

It's why I actually waver at the idea of a 'man tax' to pay for all the children born to men who evade paying for them.

I didn't think the article was that bad actually.

Nice to see the phrases "born male" and "sharing dorms/showers" on the same page.

Hopefully people will finally be able to put it together

Any reasonable parent would have concerns about an inpregnation-capable boy claiming to be lesbian and sharing overnight accommodation with girls.

I still hope people will come back to their senses when the flood of teen pregnancies caused by "lesbians" starts.

But perhaps that's naive. After all, they can just make the girls get abortions, same as they presumably do with the female prisoners who get pregnant by rape.

I slowly begin to understand why some conservative women think abortion is bad because it lets men avoid responsibility for their actions.

The NSPCC can go fuck itself. Links to Jimmy Savile and being utterly shit when I needed their help with a pedo grooming kids online through youtube.

I trust a bunch of mum's with concerns over safeguarding way above a load of chugger funded sociology students and creeps who get drawn to the kudos and opportunities presented by a big children's org. Do. Not. Trust. You. NSPCC.

Did that Wilson person come on here to shout at us in the manner of the drunk bloke who regularly shouts vile misogynist abuse in a city centre subway I occasionally have to walk through?

If you're going to practice necromancy at least bring back Cleopatra or someone interesting like that.

What I find a bit disturbing is the juxtaposition of children should take puberty blockers with the idea that they csn then go through puberty and make their minds up. Surely if you take one it is completely impossible to do the other

For reference, these are the relevent threads.
People can read what was written and the nature of Safeguarding and Child Protection concerns:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350778-My-letter-to-NSPCC

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3353658-AIBU-to-be-shocked-that-the-NSPCC-cancelled-their-Facebook-Live-session-with-Mumsnetters-because-they-didnt-like-the-questions-That-they-cant-explain-why-they-arent-putting-children-in-danger

Ok, that's the fourth thread across MN I've seen this link posted in the last few minutes by someone with no posting history. If you want to talk about it, start a thread. Reported.

The whole point of safeguarding is to be sceptical. Nobody has an unimpeachable identity. Everybody who values child protection above their own self image understands that - every man, every woman, every teacher, every sports coach, every volunteer, and yes, every transsexual. Nobody is above or outwith stringent safeguarding protocols. And anybody who tells you that such protocols should be relaxed under any circumstances at all, should be viewed with extreme suspicion.
This. It's not about feelings. People who work in secure environments are often background checked. Access is restricted to the workplace. IDs must be worn at all times. Do you think people who work in those environments should complain and take it personally that there are structures and procedures in place? Or do you think they should recognise the importance of making the arrangements universal across all individuals equally?

Yes, MN users are the problem. BUT, I genuinely cannot see any parent of girls reading that and thinking its fine for boys to share changing rooms and such with their daughters. An issue with stories like this is usually that 'transgirls' is used without further explanation, which makes people think of female people who identify as boys and think that yes, it is transphobic to not want some female people changing with other female people just because they think themselves to be male. When its made clear its about male people...its a different story.