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Some lighter reading - gender non-confirming goths oppress trans people!

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AngryAttackKittens · 03/09/2018 14:10

Given how much recent news has been horrifying I thought some of us could do with a laugh, so hear you go - Robert Smith's eyeliner is oppressive to people who want everyone to know that wearing makeup means you're a woman.

www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/06/23/goth_culture_needs_to_embrace_the_gender_identities_of_all_its_members.html

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AngryAttackKittens · 03/09/2018 14:32

The purpose of eyeliner is to draw attention to the eyes. Men also have eyes, and if they're pretty ones might like people to notice them.

I feel that given that the Ancient Egyptians were able to manage this without pretending that painting your face changes your sex then we ought to be able to manage it in 2018 also.

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HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 03/09/2018 14:30

Excuse me but to whom do I complain about the indie lads in eyeliner and skinny tshirts I fucked in the late 90/early 00s?

FanWithoutAGuard · 03/09/2018 14:30

even in fully styled pin-up goth looks. “I’m still explaining myself,” Kuill writes. “I always get weird looks and attention while out, every single day. I’m sorry I have chest hair. I'm sorry I usually have facial hair (because shaving sucks). I'm sorry I can't fit into any of your boxes.”

you're not a fully styled pin-up goth if you have chest hair and stubble - that's why they're looking, because you haven't executed the look properly.

No-one care's you're 'agender' least of all goths..

Toddleoo · 03/09/2018 14:29

Really is the height of privilege when you want to pose as an oppressed group and oppress everyone else at the same time.

Makeup, clothes etc etc do NOT have to be gendered - if someone wants to make them gendered that should be their own issue to sort, stop making it women's/goths/whoever-you-say-is-causing-you-literal-violence-today's problem and just let people wear what they like and learn to live as the sex biological reality has made them.

Men wearing eyeliner, be they goths or not, often look fab, am so annoyed some people are trying to say they have to be women to do it without stepping on some trans-snowflake's toes.

ScipioAfricanus · 03/09/2018 14:24

So ridiculous! I remember when being goth was an escape from the world of gender stereotypes, rather than an opportunity to enshrine them and create a 72 page handbook to issue to all you meet on how other people should feel about your lipstick.

carceralfeminist · 03/09/2018 14:23

OMG dude, leaves the Goths ALONE! As if they don't get enough shit already!

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AngryAttackKittens · 03/09/2018 14:21

I feel like I'm expected to ring my ex and demand that he give back the necklace he nicked from me many years ago on account of that's a girl's necklace and him wearing it without declaring his pronouns might create a hostile club environment.

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ifonlyus · 03/09/2018 14:19

I tried really hard to read that and extract some understanding from it but all I got from it was "me, me, me, me, me, me me"

thecatfromjapan · 03/09/2018 14:18

I don't want to be mean but, that is so 'Kevin the Goth Teenager does Politics'. But the person is in their 20s.

That has made me smile, though.

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