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First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...

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PimmsnLemonade · 01/09/2018 15:10

No direct accusations against Edward Lord (the 'non-binary' freemason who is trying to remove single-sex spaces in London) but here he is describing as a "hero" a man who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and is a continuing "advocate" for paedophiles:

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

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TimeLady · 02/09/2018 11:27

Just because PIE was disbanded in 1984, it doesn't mean those interested in paedophilia have magically gone away. The internet has undoubtedly made it easier to view material and interact with others.

As parents and grandparents, we need to be mindful and vigilant, and if our spidey-senses are tingling, call it out. Mine certainly are, reading some recent reports.

Charliethefeminist · 02/09/2018 11:18

Backup I mean bacp.

Also that insert box. That looks very 'pro forma, tweak it on the day' to me. This bit

ransgender
Transgender’ is the umbrella term for people who identify with a different gender from the one they were assigned at birth – often diagnosed as ‘gender dysphoria’. The term ‘transsexual’ refers more specifically to someone who has had medical intervention, and is considered archaic

is very much 'we had our diversity training thank you'. Media orgs were told very early on that transexual is offensive and outdated (because after all you can't have transexual kids but you can have transgender kids).

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 11:14

Also from Sunday Telegraph today, article:
'My husband's a paedophile – but I still love him'
(Extract)
The national picture is obviously murky, but by any available measure, this is one of Britain’s fastest-growing crimes. Government figures released late last year revealed a 700 per cent increase in the number of indecent images referred to law enforcement agencies since 2013.

Police now arrest an average of 400 people every month for viewing child abuse material. Most are men, but confound other stereotypes.

“We see men of all ages and backgrounds, family men and respectable professionals,” said West Yorkshire police assistant chief constable, Catherine Hankinson. The 149 adults they arrested last year included four company directors, two solicitors and four tech professionals." (continues)
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/husbands-paedophile-still-love/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

Charliethefeminist · 02/09/2018 11:11

I thought the piece was good - two senior feminists expressing critical and gender critical views, and the defence from back up without any reaching out to the TRA. Also brave of Olivia to byline it. I like this, it's a piece of normal reporting without fear or favour, as trans issue reporting should have been from the get go.

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 11:10

I hope (though am doubtful) that both journalists have actually read the whole document rather than just responding to the Tweeted extract.

silentcrow · 02/09/2018 11:09

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/man-told-to-pay-ex-girlfriend-75-after-knocking-her-out-x66z06mxm?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1535609532

Restorative justice for domestic violence. Apologies, this is paywalled, but my interest comes from a different angle (because obviously sitting down with the man who abused you is insanity). I saw this on twitter, posted by a friend, and somewhere down a rather long thread someone asserted that "restorative justice is big business". A very cursory Google brought up a lot of NGOs, non-profits and "social enterprises", along with millions in DoJ funding.

It could be nothing. I could be barking up the wrong tree entirely and this has no links to any of the dismantling of rights we're seeing. But I am wondering why people like Jess and Ada are so very keen on RJ and whether there's more to it than sweeping away jail time. Are there dots to be joined and money to be followed?

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 11:07

Mail on Sunday, 'Women are 'emotional and concerned with their appearances'... unless they are northern, say therapist guidelines branded 'ludicrous and dangerous'
(extract)
"The page of the document titled Gender Identity: Woman was tweeted by activist Karen Smith, who branded it: 'Sexist bullsh*t'." (continues)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123437/Women-emotional-concerned-appearances-says-therapy-document.html

Procrastinator1 · 02/09/2018 11:05

Someone needs to educate the writer of the Telegraph article, Oliver Rudgard, about Stonewall's umbrella. Her "In brief Transgender issues" is very poor.

No mention of the GRA consultation.

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 10:57

found it!
Sunday Telegraph today, 'Women are emotional and concerned with appearance - unless they're northern, say counsellors'

(Kathleen Stock & Sophie Walker quoted)
concludes:
A spokeswoman for BACP said: "We are aware that some of these topics can be controversial and these documents are meant to support practitioners, and encourage further discussion with their supervisors and colleagues - not to replace it.

"We, of course, apologise if anyone is offended by the content in this guide, this is not something that we would ever intend to do.

"We are currently in the process of revising this guidance and are in contact with a range of different specialists, who are looking to add their expertise to the document.

"We welcome this and will also be speaking to our members to ensure that we can produce the best guidance possible on this topic."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/01/counselling-association-guidelines-say-women-nurturing-caring/

AngryAttackKittens · 02/09/2018 10:55

Surely swearing at uncooperative technology is a fine MN tradition.

(Should be, if not)

OldCrone · 02/09/2018 10:55

bacp guide still available as a pdf here
www.bacp.co.uk/media/4185/bacp-gender-sexual-relationship-diversity-gpacp001-aug18.pdf

Charliethefeminist · 02/09/2018 10:53

I wasn't swearing at people here, just my linking

Charliethefeminist · 02/09/2018 10:52

Fuksake
Anyway it's on that scroll down
Maybe I can share it, will try

AngryAttackKittens · 02/09/2018 10:51

Do you remember the article heading? Should be able to find it that way.

longwayoff · 02/09/2018 10:50

Forgive me please, I havent followed this at all. Only aware of it today. I am expected to accept this guidance to professionals as a signifier of members' competence to help people with emotional difficulties? Absurd.

Charliethefeminist · 02/09/2018 10:50

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/

Charliethefeminist · 02/09/2018 10:48

I've tried. I seem completely unable without my iPhone.

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 10:46

Do you have a link Charlie ? I think someone commented also covered in the Sunday Mail

Charliethefeminist · 02/09/2018 10:33

The story is in the Telegraph today.

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 10:31

Word Version of the Guide still avalable from BACP:
(extract)
3.7 Sexual practice: BDSM, kink, and beyond
Definitions
BDSM stands for Bondage and Discipline, Dominance and Submission, Sadism and Masochism. The umbrella terms ‘BDSM’, ‘kink’, and sometimes ‘fetish’ or ‘leather’, encompass a range of consensual erotic, sexual, or sensual practices which may involve heightened sensations or pain, and/ or the exchange of power, and/or some form of restraint or role-play, and/or watching other people (exhibitionism) or being watched (voyeurism). Role-playing such as being an animal (furry) or being older or younger (age-play) are also common, although not always considered part of kink/BDSM. Some people regard their BDSM status or kink to be an identity, e.g. being a top or dom/me (dominant), a bottom or sub (submissive), a switch (who tops and bottoms), or a kinkster or sadomasochist. Others regard it as a practice they engage in which is not an identity. Some may keep their kink in the realm of fantasy and/or erotic reading/writing/viewing, while some engage in kink practices in solo sex and/or with others." (continues)

"Common concerns
While a person’s kink identities or practices will often be irrelevant to their presenting issues, they may well be nervous about working with a therapist – or revealing these interests – due to the continued pathologisation of BDSM (1.6), and the likelihood of having bad prior experiences with therapists (Kolmes, Stock and Moser, 2006; Kelsey et al., 2013). Kinky people are no more psychologically unhealthy than anyone else. Indeed the most recent research suggests that they may even be more healthy (Wismeijer and Assen, 2013). Nor do their childhoods differ in any meaningful way from non-kinky people (Nordling, Sandnabba and Santtila, 2000).

If people do want to discuss their kink practices or identities in therapy it may be because they are struggling due to cultural kinkphobia or people in their life who are unaccepting of their kink. Kink-affirmative therapy can be very helpful under such circumstances, as is an awareness of the various online and offline kink communities that people might find useful and supportive. Some people find their kink practices to be healing and/or therapeutic, for example as a form of stress reduction, as a way of dealing with past shame or trauma, or as a way of accessing different sides of themselves. In such situations therapy working in parallel with kink play can be very useful"

www.bacp.co.uk/events-and-resources/ethics-and-standards/good-practice-across-the-counselling-professions/

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 10:13

BACP Best Practice context December 2017;

(extract)
"It states that diversities in gender identity, like sexual orientation, are not ‘disorders’ requiring therapeutic intervention, and that counsellors and psychotherapists should ensure they are adequately trained and able to work without prejudice with all clients, regardless of how they identify themselves and their sexual practices and preferences.

Welcoming the MoU, Andrew Reeves, Chair of BACP, said: ‘We believe in a society where everyone can express their sexual orientation or gender identity. Every individual should have access to non-judgmental therapy, whatever their sexual orientation or gender identity, and it should be provided by an informed practitioner, committed to delivering skilled and evidence-based therapy.’ So far, so uncontroversial, surely? Did this even need spelling out when all the psy professions’ codes of practice make it clear that there is no place for personal prejudice in the counselling room?

Meg-John Barker, Senior Lecturer in Psychology at the Open University, therapist and activist-academic specialising in sex, gender and relationships, and author of the new BACP resource on Gender, Sexual and Relationship Diversity (GSRD), says yes: ‘Unfortunately, we have a deeply troubling record when it comes to the experiences of GSRD-marginalised people with straight, cisgender therapists. Virtually every client I see, who has experienced therapy before, has stories of counsellors trying to change their sexuality or gender, asking invasive and inappropriate questions, expecting the client to provide free education, and/or implicitly or explicitly suggesting that there is something pathological in the client’s gender, sexuality or relationships.’ (continues)
www.bacp.co.uk/bacp-journals/therapy-today/2017/december-2017/putting-gender-on-the-agenda/

R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 10:09

It is indeed but the guidance that has been in place for some time needs to be considered. It has, for example relevence, to discussions on this thread and others.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 02/09/2018 10:08

Why is it academic suicide (and grounds for "no platforming" ) to say you think perhaps women might have vaginas but Cambridge will host academics saying it's fine to rape 5 year olds? Have I missed something HUGE?