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First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...

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PimmsnLemonade · 01/09/2018 15:10

No direct accusations against Edward Lord (the 'non-binary' freemason who is trying to remove single-sex spaces in London) but here he is describing as a "hero" a man who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and is a continuing "advocate" for paedophiles:

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

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theOtherPamAyres · 04/09/2018 12:59

I think that the non-women who claim to have periods are actually werewolves. They might need to investigate why they get particularly crankey and hairy at a full moon, and why that mysterious achey feeling can only be satisfied by gobbling up the family pet.

Not that a werewolf is anything to be ashamed of. There's always room for werewolves in the LBGTQWW Greens.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/09/2018 12:47

lol

MENstruation

They can have the runs that goes with it
Although then they will spend even more time in the toilet and I'm not sure that's possible Confused

TheGoddessFrigg · 04/09/2018 12:45

Perhaps we should call it MENstruation....

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 04/09/2018 12:32

Ah, the Greens - the party of the environment and, um, science.

Maybe Molly and Adam are really secret climate change deniers going undercover to discredit any claim the party ever had to evidenced based analysis.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/09/2018 12:31

Just skimmed down their feed they sound like a teenager.

Green party exec what does that mean?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/09/2018 12:29

ah yes

Molly Angelica Gerlach-Arthurs
@mollyarthurs
Green Party Executive//LGBTIQA+ Greens Chair//Global Greens LGBT+ Treasurer//@brightgrn//@SexWorkHive//Royal Holloway Classicist

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/09/2018 12:27

"When we talk about trans women having periods, we’re not talking about menstruation specifically."

So periods have been redefined as nothing to do with the uterus / bleeding, in order to be inclusive.

Where does that leave stuff around "period poverty", girls and women being shut out of the house when they're bleeding etc etc?

Is the person who wrote that a green party person then?

As an aside, they never mention the fact that it's really common to get the runs when you get your period.

Haworthia · 04/09/2018 12:08

More lunacy from the Greens here (apols if this has already been posted, but I haven’t seen it).

In response to the “Trans women don’t get periods you’ve all taken this too far” discourse... a thread on trans feminine periods

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1025797273182199811.html

Apparently trans women get periods, because periods aren’t like, shedding your uterine lining, they’re about sore tits and grumpiness and HORMONES, and trans women take the same hormones, right?

(Let’s ignore all the stuff about hormone fluctuation and how oestrogen and progesterone levels rise and plummet during the mentrual cycle. I mean, correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think a trans woman’s hormonal regime is designed to fluctuate like that).

And then, in response, a man and aspiring Green MP, pondering whether this theory means that he too, with his male hormones, experiences male periods without knowing it.

twitter.com/adamfmcgregor/status/1026465123270049792?s=21

Wow. I guess the understanding that the menstrual cycle is linked only to reproductive organs is flawed, and there is something inherent to the hormones? Maybe I get period symptoms as a cis man and don't even notice them, who knows?

Let’s enjoy that again. The idea of the menstrual cycle being linked only to reproductive organs might be flawed. Basic, fundamental biology? Nope, turns out we know better now and it might have been wrong all along.

They think they’re being incredibly clever but actually they’re so stupid.

hackmum · 04/09/2018 11:42

Wombling: "They've had quite a while thinking they can say what they like and now the disturbing underbelly is starting to be revealed...."

It's interesting, isn't it. There are an awful lot of people who like to swim with the tide. If you take the communist regimes of Eastern Europe, there were people who happily joined the Communist Party, said all the right things, rose up the ranks, used the opportunities it gave them to progress in their jobs. And then came the point where it all started tumbling down and they had to decide whether to hold out to the bitter end or suddenly start pretending that they'd never supported the Communist Party at all, and actually, they'd really been working underground to oppose it. (Just as no one in France ever collaborated with the Vichy government and they'd all been part of the Resistance.)

And now the tide is turning. People like Owen Jones are discovering that they are going to be on the wrong side of history and they'd better scrub all evidence that they ever supported this madness.

There will be other people who almost certainly have more sinister things to hide that they're worried the Green Party investigation might uncover.

WomblingWoman · 03/09/2018 18:03

Perhaps...but I think it's more likely they are looking at the scrutiny the Greens are coming under and starting to backpedal.

They've had quite a while thinking they can say what they like and now the disturbing underbelly is starting to be revealed....

VickyEadie · 03/09/2018 17:47

Have some people had a tip-off about something, do you think?

WomblingWoman · 03/09/2018 17:27

So allegedly Edward Lord is another person doing a twitter clean up operation.

A lot of 2018 tweets relating to trans rights are gone apparently.

R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 13:22

Significant background to escalation of online child protection concerns:
BBC article today:
'Sajid Javid threatens tech giants over online child sex abuse'
(extract)
"Referrals of child abuse images to the National Crime Agency (NCA) have surged by 700% in the last five years, according to new figures - and the NCA estimates that about 80,000 people in the UK present some kind of sexual threat to children online."
(continues)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45389937

NothingOnTellyAgain · 03/09/2018 12:59

"However AC was responsible for blocking 50,000 mainly women on twitter and was very proud of getting many women [and men] booted off for daring to question the ethics of the Green Party. "

With DC I think? The dad and child built the terfblocker together.

While the child was simultaneusly not talking to / not seeing / not having anything to do with / etc etc the dad.

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 03/09/2018 11:08

Kind of disgusting trying to blame someone who is only just out of her teens for crimes committed by a family member ...

They aren't.

However AC was responsible for blocking 50,000 mainly women on twitter and was very proud of getting many women [and men] booted off for daring to question the ethics of the Green Party.

Also, the BBC still hasn't reported the sentencing of a man for 22 years for rape and torture. Only slipped it in as an add on to AC's removal from the deputy leadership of the Green Party.

Mrbatmun · 03/09/2018 10:50

Kind of disgusting trying to blame someone who is only just out of her teens for crimes committed by a family member ...

Who is doing that?

People are questioning Aimee's appointment of her father as her election agent when she knew full well of the crimes he was awaiting trial for. And why the Green Party took so long to make any statement about it. And why the story of a man who was given 22 years (a long sentence by any stretch) for his crimes against a 10 year old wasn't more widely reported.

People have also raised concerns that David Challenor, a man who had been campaigning for self id and the erosion of sex segregated boundaries, was subsequently found guilty of these horrific crimes, and whether there is a link there.

Do keep up dear.

R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 10:49

Kind of disgusting trying to blame someone who is only just out of her teens for crimes committed by a family member ...

AuntMsVanillaRose I have read the majority of posts on FWR which followed David Challenor's conviction for horrific crimes against a child and none have done what you accuse.

IAmLurkacus · 03/09/2018 10:45

Not heard of forced teaming before. Thanks for the explanation/info. That’s interesting Smile

R0wantrees · 03/09/2018 10:43

Forced Teaming:
"This term was developed by Gavin de Becker in his book The Gift of Fear. A false loyalty is imposed on the target by the perpetrator suggesting to the target that they have a urgent common problem (and implying they need to start working together right away). This leads the target to forget about normal risk assessment. Even if the two people have a common problem, it is unlikely that 1) it is really urgent, 2) they have a best solution in common, and 3) joint action is necessary. This technique is meant to bypass healthy distrust and in real life is almost never benign. Unfortunately many movies employ forced teaming as a plot device for characters to get to know each other, which may desensitize people."

AuntMsVanillaRose · 03/09/2018 10:43

Kind of disgusting trying to blame someone who is only just out of her teens for crimes committed by a family member ...

AngryAttackKittens · 03/09/2018 10:29

People should also look into false teaming, which many TRAs use.

haXXor · 03/09/2018 10:18

Self-id is a men's sexual rights goal. In the sense that keeping you second-guessing as to whether person X should be in the female-only space they are in and having to navigate the mental gymnastics of "nounself" pronouns, enby singular they, and pronouns that can change daily (e.g. Bunce), all of which are things that you self-id into, are thought-jamming.

haXXor · 03/09/2018 10:06

jam the victim's thought process

Trained rapists PUAs use jamming tactics. Julien Blanc and his grabbing women by the neck whilst shushing them springs to mind. Self-id is a men's sexual rights goal.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/09/2018 10:01

Almost as if a whole lot of people have just realized that the public is about to deem them to be on the "wrong side of history", isn't it?

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