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First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...

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PimmsnLemonade · 01/09/2018 15:10

No direct accusations against Edward Lord (the 'non-binary' freemason who is trying to remove single-sex spaces in London) but here he is describing as a "hero" a man who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and is a continuing "advocate" for paedophiles:

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

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Stickerladiesoftheworldunite · 01/09/2018 18:40

I'm sorry if this is irrelevant/tenuous. I'm not great at unpicking, but....

Floella Benjamin is or was chancellor? at Exeter Uni. She's also vice chair of APPG and regularly tweets NSPCC stuff.

Wonder if there's any merit in contacting her about Exeter Uni?

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 01/09/2018 18:37

They are from some kind of forum where men share stories about rummaging about in sanitary bins to find used tampons. There's one story from a man who puts two used tampons in his Tena pad so he can stand in front of the woman who he thinks used the tampons and look her in the eye while he pees then later marvels at the "pink champagne" created inside the Tena pad and jerk off about it

Yeah, not seen those but I've had these in my screen shots since May. One reason I came off twitter for a month.

First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...
First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...
First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...
Fallingirl · 01/09/2018 18:35

I first read Butler as a postgrad student in the late 90s (Gender Trouble) and remember being outraged at her inability to account for the real, sex-based oppression of women, and at the immorality of the Foucault-inspired idea that power is neutral and merely negotiated in society, rather than being the cause of oppression for certain classes of people, notably women

...to my mind the word "peformance" here is misleading. To the lay mind, at least, 'performance' suggests something artificial, optional, 'put on'. Whereas IMO, most TRAs are behaving in an entitled way because they actually believe they are entitled, and because their culture facilitates this belief. Am I misinterpreting this?

Yes, there are massive issues with Foucault’s ideas of power, but some of the poststructuralist approaches to power have been useful. When we look at how power is negotiated among people and groups, rather than only consider power as something imposed on people from govermentsand military. We are living through an(other) example of how other groups claim power e.g. by shouting ‘terf’ and ‘bigot’ at any critical voices. We have just seen a person, Aimee Challenor, who did not have any power at all, being used to silence other groups, so this is power working in more complex ways than any “simple” top-down oppression. -although I absolute agree that neither Foucault nor Butler were/are likely to see anything wrong with it!

It has always been a problem with Butlers choice of words when she talked about performativity. She did absolutely not mean to allege that this was an artificial “act” being performed, with some kind of true or real actor behind the performance. What she was saying with performativity, was that this is all their is. And when we see people performing these claims to entitlement, that is whatand who they are. There isn’t anything superficial about it, when they claim they are entitled, as you say Kesstrel, they believe it. This obviously is my take on what we can use Butler for, I fully expect she would claim something else! Although sometimes you get the impression even Butler doesn’t know what Butlers position is.

LadybirdsAreBirds · 01/09/2018 18:34

Ooooooh. He's involved in Swim England. Did not know that. Thanks for starting ManFriday Edward

FlippinFumin · 01/09/2018 18:31

But it isn't a fetish, oh no. They are real actual definite women, and always have been.

I cannot think of one woman I know who has ever found menstrual blood a turn on. Truly vile. And again, making women take part in their fetish without consent.

CAAKE · 01/09/2018 18:28

Oh good god - there are some screen shots posted on Sarge's "panties man" twitter thread that need to be seen BY EVERYONE.

They are from some kind of forum where men share stories about rummaging about in sanitary bins to find used tampons. There's one story from a man who puts two used tampons in his Tena pad so he can stand in front of the woman who he thinks used the tampons and look her in the eye while he pees then later marvels at the "pink champagne" created inside the Tena pad and jerk off about it.

2BorNot2Bvocal · 01/09/2018 18:18

But Edward Lord is a pillar of the community & specialises in reputational risk !
www.northampton.ac.uk/about-us/governance-and-management/board-of-governors/board-of-governors-membership/edward-lord/

Cascade220 · 01/09/2018 18:14

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Datun · 01/09/2018 18:11

Stopthisnow

That's 51 minutes long. Can you précis, bu any chance? Because I don't get it either.

Stopthisnow · 01/09/2018 18:10

Trying to understand Queer theory via Google - but I'm struggling. Can anyone offer a brief/simple explanation, please?

There is a good explanation of queer theory in this video.

Datun · 01/09/2018 18:04

BraveAndStunning

Oh my God. That's hilarious. If men are afraid women will laugh at them, why are they like that!

Honest to god, pissing myself.

And if it all wasn't bad enough, he's reading the lines like some really, really bad play.

Melanippe · 01/09/2018 17:57

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ToeToToe · 01/09/2018 17:56

Errol - it's been publicly tweeted all over Mumsnet's twitter timeline, so I expect so.

BraveAndStunning · 01/09/2018 17:53

Oh fuck, this tweet made me laugh

twitter.com/dixiechick547/status/1035925586093465600

CAAKE · 01/09/2018 17:52

This twitter thread neatly ties it all together -

twitter.com/scarlettstuff/status/1035704351870857216?s=21

Cascade220 · 01/09/2018 17:51

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Datun · 01/09/2018 17:49

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ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2018 17:45
  • This person whose video has been tweeted by Anne Ruzylo, is one of the twitterers fervantly tweeting and plotting to take away Mumsnet's advertising revenue.

Does MNHQ know this?

Mrbatmun · 01/09/2018 17:42

Wow, what a stunning and brave woman in that video...... Stunning and brave.

LemonJello · 01/09/2018 17:41

And probably:

Drawing attention to the fact that a person who is trying to dismantle sex based protections for women and girls is calling an advocate for paedophilic a hero ❌

Iused2BanOptimist · 01/09/2018 17:39

A spokesman for Essex University ....

cited the university’s charter which gave academic staff “freedom within the law to put forward controversial and unpopular opinions without placing themselves in jeopardy”.

Funny how academics who query things like ROGD , whether sex is assigned at birth or whether women can have a penis are likely to be shouted down, bullies, disciplined etc

LemonJello · 01/09/2018 17:38

Dismantling sex based protections for women and girls while calling an advocate for paedophilic a hero ✅

Asking the leading child protection charity questions regarding the safeguarding of children ❌

ToeToToe · 01/09/2018 17:30

twitter.com/sargesalute/status/1035915181799424000

No I couldn't watch to the end either.

This person whose video has been tweeted by Anne Ruzylo, is one of the twitterers fervantly tweeting and plotting to take away Mumsnet's advertising revenue.

This is a men's sexual rights movement - and so they can't have these pesky mothers poking their noses in, and you know, caring about the boundaries of women and children.

ToeToToe · 01/09/2018 17:25

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10653950/We-on-the-Left-lacked-the-courage-to-be-branded-homophobic-so-we-just-ignored-it.-I-wish-I-hadnt.html

Trans-activists have now got Labour, Libdems, Green Party singing their tune. Plus SNP, Plaid, and even the Women's Equality Party. Plus (probably) the conservatives.

Plus NSPCC.

History repeats itself.