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Brighton Argus article on Allsorts

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iamawoman · 01/09/2018 10:00

So happy this is out there now in brighton particularly as I was told by my infant school child that he learnt at school that boys can also be girls

www.theargus.co.uk/news/16613963.there-is-nothing-anti-trans-in-this-school-pack/

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R0wantrees · 02/09/2018 12:55

May 2018 Guardian article discusses both school toolkits,

'Schools pulled into row over helping transgender children
As more teens come out as trans, experts clash over how schools should help'
(extract)
Profound disagreement has arisen about what schools should do. Should they, in the words of a widely used toolkit from the Allsorts Youth Project in Brighton, “make visible and celebrate trans people”? Or take the “watchful waiting” approach advocated by the Transgender Trend pack, which warns schools to be “aware of the risk of ‘social contagion’ from celebrity trans internet vloggers who glamorise medical transition”?

Stephanie Davies-Arai, a parenting adviser, launched the Transgender Trend resource pack in February half-term, thinking it would barely get noticed. Instead, she says: “It just blew up”. The LGBT lobby group Stonewall accused Transgender Trend, the organisation Davies-Arai set up two-and-a-half years ago, of spreading “damaging myths, panic and confusion”, and advised local authorities not to use the pack. On Twitter, people piled in, with one describing the pack (which had been checked by lawyers) as a “modern edition of Mein Kampf”. (continues)

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

Ereshkigal · 02/09/2018 12:46

Very interesting, Charlie.

Charliethefeminist · 02/09/2018 11:40

www.allabouttrans.org.uk/meeting-argus-brighton/

They thought they had the Argus in the bag five years ago. Must be pretty cross right now.

carceralfeminist · 01/09/2018 17:31

Well, and the non-TRA crowd will probably have ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE FIRST. So they can make up their own mind.

IHateHouseworkWithAPassion · 01/09/2018 17:20

I'm afraid that is unlikely just yet. Allsorts are the only organisation offering training in Brighton area and so schools are paying for Allsorts to train staff in transgender awareness. Allsorts also offer gender identity workshops to kids. This is a big money maker for Allsorts. Until schools are offered a sensible alternative they will continue to employ Allsorts. They think they are doing the right thing.

iamawoman · 01/09/2018 17:04

Just read the comments - virtually all are gc apart from the narrow minded, happy to shame schoolgirls in changing rooms name changing commenter who probably works for all sorts. Hope the heads of schools are made aware of this and think twice about anything from that misguided organisation

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ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2018 16:49

Wasn't the Argus the paper which was 'called out' by the 'Dr' Liam bloke, re a piece on Kathleen Stock?

Ereshkigal · 01/09/2018 16:25

Do they not understand that people simply aren't this stupid? They're just not.

They think the whole world works like Twitter or Facebook.

Datun · 01/09/2018 16:18

Those comments. It makes them look utterly ridiculous.

Do they not understand that people simply aren't this stupid? They're just not.

Unfounded accusations, repeated over and over makes a person sound unhinged.

All the recommendations to read the pack and decide for yourself makes that person look rational.

And as for posing as gender critical feminists? That just looks like fifth form bullying.

Ereshkigal · 01/09/2018 16:08

And obsessed with silencing women.

IHateHouseworkWithAPassion · 01/09/2018 16:00

They are such cowards

NameChangedAgain18 · 01/09/2018 15:58

And Posie Parker’s.

NameChangedAgain18 · 01/09/2018 15:55

Is anyone able to report posts (I’ve tried to, but can’t)? Someone (probably the person using Venice’s name to post under, but now deleted) is using Anne Ruzlyo’s name now.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 01/09/2018 15:48

I'm surprised by how many of the comments are gender critical. Not so long ago every comment would have been along the lines of "these evil terfs want to torture transkids to death" without anyone daring to challenge the lies.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/09/2018 13:02

I thought this comment will go a long way towards peak transing a few more folk:

Here's the problem. Transgirls are not boys. They don't simply "identify" as girls, although that is a common shorthand for a complex issue, they are girls

LemonJello · 01/09/2018 12:48

Excellent article.

ToeToToe · 01/09/2018 12:17

Is the article at risk of being protested so much it could be taken down?

Perhaps we should archive it.

I might print it out so I have something well-written and concrete to show to my children's schools, if I need to, in the future.

drradfem · 01/09/2018 11:53

I've tried to report that comment with my name but I'm not sure it went through

FlippinFumin · 01/09/2018 10:59

Funny that in the original it is always girls who have to move and make room for boys.

The usual suspects commenting and crying transphobia, just because it is pointed out girls have sex based rights, no one has gender based rights (yet).

R0wantrees · 01/09/2018 10:50

There is a Parliamentary petition running which has been openly described by supporters of it to be an attempt to prevent the Transgender Trend Schoolkit being allowed in school.
My understanding is that a previously similarly intentioned petition was not allowed but that 'with advice' on wording, this one has been accepted:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226793

Ban Anti-LGBTQ+ material from schools.

There has been a recent influx of anti-LGBT+ material being sent to schools in England. We are asking that any and all material, that is first and foremost designed to give a negative view of the LGBT+ community, be removed from schools.
More details

Examples of how such material can be shown to be anti-LGBT+:
• they recommend conversion therapy.
• they scaremonger about conditions that are not legally recognised as clinical or medical conditions.
• they encourage school staff to break equality laws as stated in the EA2010.
• they give false information regarding the legally available treatment for transgender youth in the UK."

recent relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339139-chartered-college-teaching-signed-petition-against-anti-lgbtq-materials-in-schools

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329447-People-Who-Oppose-Trans-Rights-Have-No-Place-In-Labour-Says-The-First-LGBT-Mayoral-Adviser?pg=6

BoreOfWhabylon · 01/09/2018 10:40

Some interesting comments

Brighton Argus article on Allsorts
hackmum · 01/09/2018 10:33

Helen Saxby is always good. Really pleased the Argus gave her a platform.

gendercritter · 01/09/2018 10:18

Fabulous article

LangCleg · 01/09/2018 10:17

Thanks, Helen, for writing this and getting the Argus to publish. Always a voice of sanity.

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/09/2018 10:17

Nice article Helen!!!!! Thank you!!! Star

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