Hannah Mouncey - Australian women's football

Call me naive, but I would have thought the photographs alone need no words in order to peak trans people, but it seems they're still deluded and that I was over estimating people's grip of reality.

I can't read the words without pinching myself.

The stranglehold (not just the explanatiom of the manly grip on a female player) is getting to me today.

The AFL is very sports science driven - they measure everything about their players. There was no way Mouncey was going to get away with claiming no physical advantage.

I think the AFL has handled this well - they have avoided any question about gender identity and just stuck to the point that Mouncey is so far outside the physical parameters of women’s football that it would be dangerous for Mouncey to play at an elite level.

Lower levels are much more “everybody can play” but of course Mouncey spat the dummy when they weren’t allowed to make a mockery of the national league.

What's all the fuss? All the opposition need to do is dead name or use the wrong pronouns and she will be blubbing in the corner.

And the strength I bring to the football field every week isn’t measured by muscles that have atrophied to almost nothing.

Back in the day I used to lift a lot of weights several days a week. At my fittest and strongest, and I am naturally strong for a woman, I didn't have anywhere near the muscular development evidenced by the "atrophied" muscles of this young person.

Bloody hell NotTerfNorCis, that article you linked.

From the day we can talk we are taught that men are stronger than women, a fallacy and a farce in equal measure that many people still consider gospel.

I recall grabbing my opponent by the collar like she had to me and loudly exclaiming that there’s nothing wrong with being strong. I am proud to be a strong woman. And the strength I bring to the football field every week isn’t measured by muscles that have atrophied to almost nothing

Followed by

You live daily with the micro aggressions, the mockery, the hate. And here on the football field the message was delivered clearly: “Stop being so strong.”

The truth is, I’m stronger now than I ever have been, and I’m not going to let any opponent, not even the AFL, hold me back.

This isn't even gaslighting, it doesn't have the nuance.

It's barefaced, self obsessed lying.

That was my first foray into posting GC views on social media a couple of years ago. The sports issue. Would've thought it was fairly uncontroversial.

Let's just say, I lost a lot of respect for some people.

Agree, gendercritter.

Hannah is a danger to women Hannah plays against and we need to stop this delusion before more women get hurt. Hannah, you are a cheat and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

There is something about this situation which is incredibly fascinating to me.

It is completely obvious that tgis person is not only male, but being stronger and taller than the females he's playing against, is a danger to them too. And yet I've seen people on here and on Twitter swear blind this is a group of women playing and he has no physical advantage. What does that say about us? It's strayed into proper Orwellian territory and yet people are keeping up the pretense as if their lives depended on it.

This will make a good, if depressing, Phd when all the nonsense has moved onto something else. And please god it does soon.

Yeah I also read that HM broke someone’s leg in a tackle.
This is such a fucking joke.

Yep. Total joke.

Such a pity women are so weak that their back issues are playing up because of all that muscle wastage and loss. Maybe we should have a disability payment started for women as they obviously can't carry their own body weight due to their fragility........

You coven of witches! Can't you see how stunning and brave our beautiful new sister is?

We all know that you're just jealous. Trans women are better women than any CIS woman will ever be. After all, femininity was invented by men!

A danger of being all too literally 'stunning' in any contact sport, I'd have thought.

Because Hannah argues that ladybrain gives you the same physical disadvantages a woman has when compared to men.

Hannah calls - - - self a lesbian so doesn't deserve a shred of respect.

Turph your link to Renee Richards is an interesting case. Richards transitioned in their 40s, and at the time fought incredibly hard to be allowed to play on the women's circuit. However, they later conceded that had they transitioned in, say, their late 20s, it would have been grossly unfair to the female players, as the latter wouldn't have been able to get anywhere near.

(I think Serena Williams once said she'd rank about 350th in the men's game.)

What is the current situation with Mouncey? I thought she hadn't been allowed to play in professional women's AFL, but was cleared to play in the amateur game (but had gone back to handball in the huff).

This is very important to raise this week. A woman died of concussion after a collision during the SA women's AFL grand final. A freak accident, they called it. But would letting the likes of Hannah in reduce the rarity of such an occurrence?

RIP Maggie Varcoe. AFL is a savage game.

*Turph8

Yes. I have heard this. It is almost comical to see the height/weight/beard differences in 13 year old lads. I never want that bearded hulk running at my little boy

I think Hannah has moved to handball. I think they've been banned from Aussie rules due to new rules on testosterone levels. Hannah broke an opponents leg during a game, apparently. I'm assuming accidentally, but still, the weight and strength differential surely caused concerns with a physical sport like this.

It reminds me of boys' rugby - there's often some outlier - a big pubescent lad who looks like they drove the minibus
There are rumblings in football of organising teams on a height basis rather than age due to the vast differences in the sizes of 12 y.o. boys, for example. It would make sense and we'd end up with better players overall. Manny Pacquiao was at one point known as the best pound for pound boxer on earth - but any of the crappy heavyweights we have now would have pulverised him, even at his peak..

Schrodingers

Yes, according to the linked article, oestrogen makes your muscles atrophy to nothing