Aimee suspended on no fault basis

Give me a break - that GP statement has PR consultant written all over it - and how dare they say "they have been at the forefront of work against male violence against women" - seems like only certain types of women from all their anti-women activity and rhetoric.

And then they defend the supposed scapegoating of AC - who are they referring to? It's not scapegoating to highlight inappropriate and risky behaviours. They conflate trans with "can never do any wrong" all the time. This is not about that. It's about the GP not scapegoating whistle-blowers - which they continue to do time and time again - seems like they are very slow learners at best and willfully blind at worse.

Either these people are fit for the political arena or they are too young and vulnerable. Many seem to dish out (in the public arena) far more than they've taken (in the public arena).

If the Green Party needs to protect them it should have protected them long ago and needs to take responsibility for not doing so.

The Challoner children's home life sounds like hell. Was it, for all of them? . I don't know. But what I've read, it sounds like that.

Bit off topic but I am curious about Rose West as I was Hindley, as both were trafficked from childhood and horrendously abused so effectively became puppets of the murdering sexual sadists and had any value system of their own replaced by their that of their torturer - as is common in captivity & cults.

This phrase of the daughter from the Mail article spoke to me:

‘We feel stigmatised, of course we do. We were overlooked by the authorities while our parents abused us sexually and physically as kids, and now as adults they say: “You’re from an abusive family. We’ll have to keep an eye on you.”’

How demeaning and re-traumatising - ignored as children and left in harm's way and then told as adults we suspect you may put others in harm's way so will monitor you. I mean if she was applying to work with children and Scouts/Guides etc then yes - obviously - but she has that insight herself that it's not wise nor does she want that responsibility on her conscience - ie she knows her abuse has left boundary legacies (totally different from what we have seen in AC's response where the entitlement shines through).

But as we see - the real perpetrators know how to manipulate the system and go undetected whilst the innocents play by the rules and pay the stigma-penalty for that. The risks known about are not the only ones that need monitoring and some people are bigger risks than others - it seems that discernment is not utilised as it should be and there's a real risk that safeguarding can then be a blunt instrument wielded by a faceless bureaucracy

That statement also talks about ‘victims’ plural.

Whenever I hear this sentence I want to scream "This world is not your bloody classroom!"

It's always an excuse for a lack of up-front thinking.

YY- in all these situations, always obfuscating the gross failure of duty of care that shouldn't have happened if they had anyone with any common sense around who wasn't so busy protecting their own career and turning a blind eye to glaring red flags. And they don't learn as we have seen from Savile. Those same institutions used by him are still ignoring huge red flag behaviours for the sake of political correctness, careers and reputations - tl;dr it couldn't happen here again - really??

Statement from Green Party Women in defence of Aimee here m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1864624806987631&id=647628982020559.

I don't believe Aimee didn't know much about the charges for a minute but their insistence that she had told the Green Party something about them is interesting/worrying.

It's a pity that AC doesn't have a critical friend to lay it on the line, or draw pictures. AC dropped the GP in the stinky brown stuff and can't even see the damage that she has done and will continue to do.

• AC didn't recognise the need to tell the Green Party about matters that had a bearing on their reputation and standing. Kept schtum until outed.

• didn't see the need to step aside from Deputy Leadership campaign. Stayed in place until arm-twisted to step aside

-claimed not to have known the extent of DC's crimes. Blown out by Coventry Pride

-promised to take a break from Twitter. Didnt. Instead, issued further self-serving statements

• Sends out tweets that she is helping an Enquiry team to learn the lessons. Sends another one about "no fault" as though the term meant exoneration and the all-clear.

-Suspended

You can "help the Green party with its enquiries" , AC, by providing a full list of events and locations where your father accompanied you on Green party business between the time he was arrested and convicted.

And then a list of all the campaigns, projects and tasks that your father worked on, alongside you.

The Independent has an article as well - much better journalism than Beeb

The statement added: ”The Green Party takes its safeguarding responsibilities and duties of care extremely seriously and is committed to learning any difficult lessons needed.”

Horse and stable door come to mind - if they took their safeguarding seriously, this train wreck wouldn't have been allowed to happen.

I also note the continuing over-protectiveness of AC - the infantilisation - in the announcement of the no-fault suspension. No one else gets the "no-fault" descriptor whilst investigations are carried out so why does AC?

anyone with that background who thought that single-sex spaces weren't needed would attract similar scrutiny

you may think that, I couldn't possibly comment ;)

"...to ensure that difficult lessons are indeed learnt"

Whenever I hear this sentence I want to scream "This world is not your bloody classroom!"

It's always an excuse for a lack of up-front thinking.

haXXor, another timely article in the Mail

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6120107/amp/How-survived-growing-House-Horrors-Fred-Rose-Wests-daughter.html

Fred and Rose Wests daughter has written a book which they about the serialise. Already a few interesting things:

1. It took her 10 years to recognise her mother's guilt and the fact thst her mother was an arch manifulaor

1. It took a long time and a battle with agrophobia for her to present herself to Victim Support and ask for help.

1. As a child her normal was normal.

She sounds like a brave woman who has been impressively successful in building a good family life after a truely awful childhood. It is very possible that AC's childhood was also awful. I hope that AC manages to make a similar journey. I think the GP and the whole TRA circus may retrospectively be seen as exploiting a very vulnerable young person.

haXXor

Nailed it.

Brilliant post haXXor

haXXor

Spot on.

Our worry isn't actually because Aimee is trans. This is about Aimee being brought up by someone who mistreated animals, raped a little girl, and was so bad a parent that Aimee was taken into care. This is us recognising patterns between Aimee's dad and Aimee's politics of undermining safeguarding and hearing alarm bells ringing. This is us recognising that children who've been taken into care and neglected often don't have healthy boundaries as adults and don't understand why these boundaries are needed. This is us thinking in terms of safeguarding.

A person's intuition and pattern recognition are their firewall, to keep harmful people from getting near.
A person's boundaries are their intrusion detection system, a boundary violation should ring alarm bells.
A neglected or abused child will, as an adult, have a misconfigured or absent firewall and IDS. This is not rocket science and anyone with that background who thought that single-sex spaces weren't needed would attract similar scrutiny.

Yeps kittens.

They give no ff about that wee lass

Any reference to survivors of male sexual violence is totally unacceptable because mentioning their interests is equivalent to "weaponising them in support of a transphobic agenda"

*/our, ourselves

Wonder what those difficult lessons to learn will be? I won't hold my breath that they will be the kind of lessons I would hope for.

Presumably "no fault suspension" is the volunteer equivalent of "suspended on full pay" that most employers have for people who they need to get out of the work place while they investigate allegations of dodginess?

They are so slow off the mark with this, though - it should have happened immediately that the guilty verdict was announced (if not sooner)

Bbc u suck bigly

Sums it up littlbrowndog

I have some Thoughts about the various organizations whose approach to this has been "OK so a child was raped and tortured and of course that's unfortunate AND NOW LET'S FOCUS ON AIMEE AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT HER DURING THIS TRYING TIME, ps. also don't blame the Greens there's no way we could have known".

It’s still a shite piece o& reporting.

Green part6 still saying in that report by bbcthat they stand by AC

Not one word for the wee girl who was tortured and raped

Bbc u suck bigly

My guess is that Aimee will quietly fade away at this point but that they will have a new stunning and brave 20 year old in place within the year

Hope it's not a lawyer involved in Teli or whatever it's called.

It does say external investigation though. So presumably not the greens. I wonder if they have chosen a pro trans activitist organisation ...?