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I just can't even right now - "trans" toddler

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aidelmaidel · 31/08/2018 00:52

NC for this because very un-PC

Acquaintance has a three-year-old girl, who has decided that she is a boy. Has picked a different name, a different birthday (?) and Mum is extremely vigilant about defending this child's New Identity in all directions. Nursery, grandparents, colleagues have all been told, and parenting support group (mostly academics) are terribly supportive whenever anyone refers to this child as "she." She's even posted links to those weird sites that sell fake penises for small children (so that they can have an authentic bulge in their nappies?) so I assume the kid is packing one of those.

This has been going on for a good few months now.

Recently the mum posted that the child regularly has epic two-hour tantrums.

I can't help but think well, you're letting the kid insist that their name, their physical makeup, and their birthday can be altered at will and every adult around them must bow down accordingly, does it really surprise you that the kid can't cope with life when other things aren't treated the same?

Venting here because this sort of thinking is verboten in real life. Is this one of those things where once you have a toddler of your own you get a totally different perspective?

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thewinehasgonetomyhead · 31/08/2018 08:37

@RitaFairclough

I always said to him that he could wear whatever he liked and do whatever he wanted to do but he would always be a boy.

I think that’s a brilliant way of wording it, and I am going to pinch that for my own DC.

FanWithoutAGuard · 31/08/2018 08:33

She also has a job where she works for a boss called 'Muckazymes' who apparently keeps her really busy with emails and meetings.

LOL - ours used to make up classmates - we had a few awkward conversations with his teachers trying to establish if someone he was telling us about was a real person or not (he'd say they were off sick, or some other excuse if we asked to meet the child at dropoff)

RitaFairclough · 31/08/2018 08:28

I’ve mentioned this before on here but my son said he wanted to be a girl consistently for quite a long time when he was about 5. Maybe younger - really from when he was at preschool full time or starting school and becoming aware of gender stereotypes. He used to wish he was a girl when he blew out candles or if we found a wishing well or whatever.

He has always liked ‘girly’ things (I am really not v ‘girly’!) and used to get me to paint his toenails (he called them dinosaur claws). Even on holiday this year (he is now 8) he wanted my shimmery bronzer on his face.

I always said to him that he could wear whatever he liked and do whatever he wanted to do but he would always be a boy. Then David Bowie died. And there were lots of pics around of him in dressses which proved my point. My son spent ages looking at the cover of Hunky Dory and then announced he wanted to do ballet and that was it.

He is absolutely happy being a boy, and he also still dances, and his favourite book is The Boy in the Dress.

I slightly feel that we have dodged a bullet (especially as he has ADHD and struggles with social norms which seems to be relevant in many of these instances).

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 31/08/2018 08:20

Don't most 3 year olds decide they are something /someone else?
Apparently I not only insisted I was a boy, I was actually a boy from India

BruceAndNosh · 31/08/2018 08:18

She also has a job where she works for a boss called 'Muckazymes' who apparently keeps her really busy with emails and meetings. I used to laugh with DH about this but now I see that she is clearly a trans-adult

That's great. Tell her that you expect 25% of her pay packet each week

FanWithoutAGuard · 31/08/2018 08:16

My 3 year old was insistently, consistently, and persistently (well, for about 9 months) from an alien race. He had a whole back story, and various traits/needs because he was of this race.

Mind you, his nursery teachers struggled to know what to believe from his chat - he was such a convincing fantasist that we'd often go to pick him up and have them ask how our weekend in Africa/shark fishing/climbing a mountain was, or was DS2 really born in the woods?

We just enjoyed his creativity to be honest. And made him at least try some of whatever food he'd announced he couldn't eat because his alien race was 'llergic' to it.

Starkstaring · 31/08/2018 08:15

Even the most reckless of trans-believing clinicians would surely caution against full on social transition at that age. Either these parents have not consulted anyone or they are ignoring the advice they are being given.

LastOneDancing · 31/08/2018 08:09

My nearly 3yo was a snail this morning.

This was a surprise because normally he's a cat.

I'm glad I hadn't started his species realignment.

ItIsOkItIsASecret · 31/08/2018 08:09

My friend's daughter is 6. She regularly says she wishes she had a willy.

She thinks it would be a novelty to stand up and wee. But she doesn't always explain. Sometimes she just "wishes" she had a willy and pretends to have one.

Her parents are really worried in case she says something along these lines at school and, with the new school guidelines being that you can't speak to the parents in case they inject a bit of context and common sense , she might end up being 'transed' by the school and never know anything of it.

ItIsOkItIsASecret · 31/08/2018 08:03

When I was younger, my mum's friend's 4/5 year old told everyone she was a boy and asked to be called Peter. She would only respond to the name Peter and male pronouns. She told her teachers and they also called her Peter.

We are going back 30 years so there was none of this "transing" everyone business.

So we all treated it as the game that it was and she is now a married adult human female with children.

Were she a 4/5 year old today, God knows where it would end for her.

CigarsofthePharoahs · 31/08/2018 07:55

My 4 year old pulled a t shirt up over his head and proclaimed that he was now a girl called Bella. It lasted for one afternoon.
It's children just being children. They play, they make believe.
By the following morning he'd totally forgotten all about it.

InionEile · 31/08/2018 03:55

My 3-year old has told me on a number of occasions that she's a mommy too and she has 2 children, a boy and a girl, one of whom is a baby and the other is 7 years old. Sometimes it changes, when I ask her where they are - because they can't be home alone of course! - and then she says they are now grown-up kids who can be on their own without her. She also has a job where she works for a boss called 'Muckazymes' who apparently keeps her really busy with emails and meetings.

I used to laugh with DH about this but now I see that she is clearly a trans-adult. I should be more respectful of her newfound identity and ask everyone to accept her new identity and stop mis-aging her by saying she is 3 years old. Grin

Seriously though, 3 year olds are wild. There is no rhyme nor reason to the stuff they come out with. Very entertaining but totally ridiculous to get adults to pander to a child by using other pronouns etc.

seafret · 31/08/2018 03:52

If true this is the kind of thing that should be reported to social services.

The risk is that SS are sutpidly woke or scared, but there was a court case WRT a young child (older than this) was thought to be trans amidst a custody battle, and the judge took a very dim view of unquestioning affirmation and of the mother is seemingly pushing her own agenda.

So gather evidence and then think of what is best for the child.

aidelmaidel · 31/08/2018 03:44

Rainbows oh dear, yes I see it sounds a bit silly, but I don't think they've done interviews. Or maybe they have, but it doesn't seem quite naice to go digging them out.

Point isn't to dump on the family so much. Mostly I'm boggled by this degree of blurring the lines between real and pretend with a toddler, not least because I only have a few years to get my head around all this before my DD is liable to start doing the same sort of thing.

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aidelmaidel · 31/08/2018 03:38

Lorelai If a kid tells me they're a horsie I'll pretend their sandwiches are hay, but I'll still talk to the parent about their child and not about their little horsie. And surely a kid needs to know at some point that pretend is pretend?

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Monday55 · 31/08/2018 03:03

WTF! does the word "Tom-boy" still exist?

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rainbowsandsmiles · 31/08/2018 02:52

I meant it's easy for anyone to post on here saying their 3 year old girl says they're a boy, no sources given.
This is where I sit on the fence though as 3 year old's are just that - 3 year olds. Toddlers no concept of male or female. They're only just learning that they're a separate entity away from parents (eg playschool) gender is just a no as they're just toddlers.

Materialist · 31/08/2018 02:43

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rainbowsandsmiles · 31/08/2018 02:28

Links? Easy to say stuff like this as truth without any credible sources. Sounds very "friend of a friend of a friend" without.

littlebillie · 31/08/2018 02:20

My DC wanted to be a pony for a while. However according to other threads this is also a thing too ( recognised at a large international corporate as a self is ID)

I was very unkind in not supporting their wishes in not building a stable block in my garden or getting them a swishy tail.

I am not getting old this world has gone mad. The damage these parents are doing to their DCs is dreadful

oatmealrats · 31/08/2018 02:18

I don't know if these parents are transactivists themselves pushing an agenda, homophobic and saw a few gnc signs early on and instantly started pushing this wronger gender ideology on them in hopes of a "normal" hetero child, or are just dumb as heck by deciding to take everything a toddler says seriously.

Also, those child sizes dildos are horrific. I'm so worried for children. Not just in regards to the hormones...but also just the negative effects of having every adult around you keep you from living in reality.

whingeyarse · 31/08/2018 02:09

I'm struggling to believe this

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