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I just can't even right now - "trans" toddler

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aidelmaidel · 31/08/2018 00:52

NC for this because very un-PC

Acquaintance has a three-year-old girl, who has decided that she is a boy. Has picked a different name, a different birthday (?) and Mum is extremely vigilant about defending this child's New Identity in all directions. Nursery, grandparents, colleagues have all been told, and parenting support group (mostly academics) are terribly supportive whenever anyone refers to this child as "she." She's even posted links to those weird sites that sell fake penises for small children (so that they can have an authentic bulge in their nappies?) so I assume the kid is packing one of those.

This has been going on for a good few months now.

Recently the mum posted that the child regularly has epic two-hour tantrums.

I can't help but think well, you're letting the kid insist that their name, their physical makeup, and their birthday can be altered at will and every adult around them must bow down accordingly, does it really surprise you that the kid can't cope with life when other things aren't treated the same?

Venting here because this sort of thinking is verboten in real life. Is this one of those things where once you have a toddler of your own you get a totally different perspective?

OP posts:
EntropicTupperwareDrawer · 31/08/2018 10:56

i agree speaking

We have words for people who concern themselves with what preschoolers genitals and crotches look like - and those words are not “concerned parent”.

RedToothBrush · 31/08/2018 10:51

Ah Sorry.

Yes, there must be people who are doing this out there because we have historical examples of it. The chances are it is becoming more common. Plus people will only sell things there is a demand for.

Is the OP credible? Different question.

speakingwoman · 31/08/2018 10:47

Usually when someone says prepare to be shocked I am deliberately not-shocked. But this shocked me:

“While most trans boys don't start packing until they are teens or older, sometimes young kids want to have a prosthetic and what is on the market is really just too big for most folks under 10 years old. So our friends who make our Silicone Packers, came up with a mini version for young and/or smaller kids. Now these may look "too" tiny to some, but we have done a lot of research and think these are pretty accurate in their overall size. That said they are a scaled down version of a larger Packer, so the proportion is not what you might see attached to an AMAB kid. “

My position is that this appears to me to be child abuse.

nauticant · 31/08/2018 10:41

Some of the comments on this thread remind me of the disbelief I've heard from people when they're told that some trans people have not made a physical (surgical) transition and are unlikely to, or that they don't have gender dysphoria.

ZigZagZebras · 31/08/2018 10:38

My DD had a phase of saying she wanted to be a boy at 3. Remember one time she had a huge tantrum and cried about it.
Got to the bottom of it and it turned out to be because her favourite PJ masks character was a boy and she wanted to be the same, and because she has curly hair and thought it would be straight and not tangly if she had 'boy' hair.

Shes now 6, wants her hair to be longer than it is, loves 'girly' things and hasn't mentioned wanting to be a boy since those few months.
God knows how shed be emotionally now if I'd gone down the path of trying to pretend she was a boy rather than getting to the bottom of the issue and explaining that you don't need to be a boy to have short hair/l or pretend to be superheroes.

There needs to be focus on breaking down stereotypes, not telling children that the solution is to pretend to be the other sex if they prefer stereotypes of the other sex.

EntropicTupperwareDrawer · 31/08/2018 10:35

I’ve re-read my post and can see how it could be read the opposite way than i intended, though!

EntropicTupperwareDrawer · 31/08/2018 10:33

You misunderstand, red (I keep forgetting I NCd recently Grin - I've been here years).

I am saying that this madness is everywhere, and the post was aimed at exwife saying Yeah, This Happened. I'm saying that the delusion of having a trans child is everywhere, so the fact that the OP is true is not hard for me to believe. Just to be clear: the articles I linked are examples of things that I believe are terrible injustices to gender non conforming children who are being badly let down (or worse) by adults around them.

Mrbatmun · 31/08/2018 10:32

Whilst I don't know if the OP is true (it does sound a bit 'friend of a friend) I can confirm that the ' packers' are a thing. 'For kids under 5'.

Prepare to be horrified.

transkids.biz/products/extra-small-silicone-packers

nauticant · 31/08/2018 10:29

For those who are insinuating the OP is lying, what is this the detail in the OP's posts that makes you go "well, that clearly cannot be true"?

Because what they're reporting does actually happen in the real world. So I can't see why the OP's account must be untrue.

RedToothBrush · 31/08/2018 10:29

I don't quite know why posters would think this post is hard to believe.

Cos my child is a dinosaur.

And you are linking to a case involving Mermaids which many here have MASSIVE issues with, with regard to safeguarding.

A word to the wise; you might want to spend longer than five seconds on Google.

EntropicTupperwareDrawer · 31/08/2018 10:23

I don't quite know why posters would think this post is hard to believe. I have an aquaintance with a GNC child they believe was born in the wrong body.This started when the child was 4 years old, and behaved very much like the child in the OP. I've seen this in action, in the real world. It happens. There've been many examples of similar reported in the press.

here

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here

I found those with five seconds of googling.

JayneW63 · 31/08/2018 10:22

Munchausen syndrome by proxy

BluthsFrozenBananas · 31/08/2018 10:06

I can believe this is real. Lots of toddlers insist they’re something else, at 3 my friend’s little girl was very insistent she was a boy named Tom. Most parents are sensible and know this too shall pass. All it takes is for one parent out of the many to be overly woke or attention seeking or both and suddenly you’ve got them announcing their toddler as trans.

exWifebeginsat40 · 31/08/2018 09:47

this definitely happened. definitely.

AndYetItMoves · 31/08/2018 09:47

Attention seeking parent, setting her child on a pathway of a lifetime of drugs, hormones and irreversible surgeries.

Brave new world.

MrsTeach · 31/08/2018 09:43

She's even posted links to those weird sites that sell fake penises for small children (so that they can have an authentic bulge in their nappies?)

This is a real thing!?
I just can't.
What is happening!

RedToothBrush · 31/08/2018 09:33

My 3 year old is currently also going through a phrase of asking 'Do you have a willy? '. Often at inappropriate moments. He is super curious about the difference between girls and boys at the minute.

Last week it was in the middle of a changing room in a shop. At the top of his voice.

I cringed.

EntropicTupperwareDrawer · 31/08/2018 09:27

The trans toddler is like the vegan cat.

We all know where it's coming from.

(I can't take credit for that one, sadly. But it's bob on).

LangCleg · 31/08/2018 09:20

She also has a job where she works for a boss called 'Muckazymes' who apparently keeps her really busy with emails and meetings.

I know this is a serious thread but this is truly delightful! It's made my morning!

saratustra · 31/08/2018 09:08

Toddlers pretend to be many things and don't really understand sex or gender, and the mum is being absurd. All of that is true and obvious.

Now, let's get even more absurd and talk about tra's agenda and if the tras win etc. Ffs.

CrazyDogLady87 · 31/08/2018 08:59

wow in this day and age of you know toddlers knowing themselves!

all these parents who aren't applying to have their children's species reassigned...."how do you sleep at night" hahaha (that's my attempt at a joke btw)
clearly, your children are born into the wrong bodies.....cats, dinosaurs, snails, aliens, sharks. my niece was a bird, my son has been a worm, a dog, a seagull.....these little people aren't just being kids having active imaginations and playing, we are denying them of who they really are we should be ashamed of ourselves ...

again my attempt at a joke, I do think it is Ludacris a child thinks/ beliefs/wants to be/ an opposite sex,

however, I dont believe trans is not an issue for a very small few, as aforementioned I do have a very good friend who is trans and they know my views and if actually has a very similar view to myself, as a child, they state they didn't know who they were they just knew they didn't fit the social norm, which is why it wasn't until their 30's they started living as both sexes dated and had intimate relations with both sexes and spoke to a clinical psychiatrist they came to the decision. that they were in fact trans

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 31/08/2018 08:52

My 3 year old spends much of his day as a dinosaur

Mine was an owl all last week

CrazyDogLady87 · 31/08/2018 08:46

when I was a toddler, child, and pre-teen, if my mum tried to put me in anything other than jeans/dungarees converse/wellies, i would scream blue murder, and if she tried to put in a dress well that was something else. I never wanted dolls and prams or any girly toys, I hated playing house and tea parties, I wanted to climb trees, and make mud pies and ride my BMX, as a teenager I hated wearing makeup I loved doing sports, Halloween I would turn up as something gross whereas my friends would be dead princess or nurses etc,
i wasn't considered trans or it wasn't thought I was a boy in a girls body, it was just me i was just who I am, there wasn't such thing as trans!

as an adult WOMAN my dress sense hasn't changed nor my attitude i'm still not girly I still wear jeans and converse I still dont like wearing makeup and I still much rather walk my dogs in a muddy field than go for a spa day. I hate being invited to parties or weddings where it is expected women wear dresses or to look girly,
I will add that, I do like to dress up for a meal with my husband and/or and at Christmas or when I am comfortable doing so I don't always walk around in jeans and converse or boots haha

my point i guess is, as a tiny child all the stages in between i was never thought to by other or thought myself I was a "boy in a girls body" because I didn't like girly things I was a girl always and still I am, a female.

I am not disputing that some people do feel that way, I just think it is very rare, I actually have a very good friend that is trans and I firmly believe them, however, I don't think as a small child especially a toddler can make that choice, they have zero life experience to know what they are! jesus they can barely talk a coherent sentence half of them! how the hell can they know if they are the opposite gender!

RedToothBrush · 31/08/2018 08:41

My 3 year old spends much of his day as a dinosaur.

He throws tantrums when the dinosaur is told to go away as its dinnertime.

I'm glad I don't have to advocate for him becoming a six foot T Rex.

Eyebagsandcoffee · 31/08/2018 08:39

My 4 year old went through a phase last year of pretending she was Skye the dog from paw patrol.