I just can't even right now - "trans" toddler

Oh God. I have just rememberwd that I had a boys ride-on toy when I was little. It was a bright pink space rocket and a hand-me-down from my brother. I also had mecano (because I wanted it - I especially loved my little guillotine).

Where's my pay rise?

My son used to own TWO sets of space wings (one to wear, one in the wash). In the winter, he wore them over his coat. I can clearly remember being on an East London bus and him wondering aloud why ‘everyone was looking at his wings’.

He is 18 now and no longer identifies as Buzz Lightyear.

Here's a US doctor (Dutch originally) talking about her own child. twitter.com/Skeptical_Mom/status/1036366662310813696 She specialises in the obs/gynae care of female-bodied trans-identifying people.

Here she is on Facebook supporting a motion to get WPATH (World Professional Association for Transgender Health) to officially deny the existence of rapid onset gender dysphoria. www.facebook.com/groups/transgenderhealth/permalink/2120311174679964/

If anyone can explain to me how a pre-verbal baby can 'come out' as transgender to her/his parents, I'd be most interested to know.

So sad. Can't understand why social services or the Utah equivalent have not been involved.

The mother sounds crazy. At 3 my daughter had a number of periods of wanting to be called by a different name. Usually an adult they liked. Once I had a day where I had to address her as Mummy! We humoured her. She outgrew it. A friend’s son at 7 still thinks he’s a spy and his name is top secret. Kida are kids.

My 3.5 year old DS announced he’s a girl today. I told him he’s actually a boy and he says he wants to turn into a girl.

But he also regularly says he’s a cat so I’m not booking the gender reassignment yet. Since he’s 3 ffs.

Space travel not time travel, that's Dr Who who my son pretended to be.

I was a Tomorrow Person (1970s kids TV series) and used to jaunt around the playground at primary school. My parents never believed I could time travel though and I think claiming to be a boy would have been viewed as just as unlikely.

I'm also a little cynical about the truthfulness of this story truth be told...

Really? Despite the fact (and it's on record) that Jazz Jennings' parents decided Jazz was a transgirl at 18 months because of undoing the babygro poppers?

I'm also a little cynical about the truthfulness of this story truth be told...

Fifth of 14-year-old girls in UK 'self-harm' Are they all actually 14/female? How do we know?

My friend's 3yo boy likes to wear princess dresses. He says he wants to be a girl when he grows up. When my DD was 3, she told me that she was a unicorn.

My friend, doesn't react to her toddlers statement, because he is a toddler. He may well want to be a girl when he is older, time will tell, but you certainly do not push it onto a 3yo, you sit back and see what happens. he might be gay, he might not. He might be a cross dresser, he might not.

He might just be a small child who wants to play dress up like his older sister.

Thought this was a very interesting and worrying news story

Nearly a quarter of 14-year-old girls in the UK said they had self-harmed, a report suggests.
A survey of 11,000 children found 22% of the girls and 9% of the boys said they had hurt themselves on purpose in the year prior to the questionnaire.
Rates of self-harm were worst (46%) among those who were attracted to people of the same or both genders.
The Children's Society report said gender stereotypes and worries about looks were contributing to unhappiness.

Fifth of 14-year-old girls in UK 'self-harm'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45329030

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3340145-article-on-transgender-children-in-preschool

Recent discussion about a bloody academic paper talking about trans toddlers

Thanks aidel she is totally awesome and I’m really proud that we let her just ride through the stage. We never made a big deal about it, just let her get on with it and never ever suggested to her that it was possible for her to become a boy because there was a time when she would have fully embraced that concept if it had been put to her.

I can’t stress enough how much I feel your accquaintence is wrong. It’s so utterly normal for girls to be non conformist and to be a “tomboy” and it’s so fine and NORMAL. Yes, in a world of pink and glitter it can be hard for a parent to see that but to guide their child and say that’s ok is the best thing they can do. Perhaps the child will grow out of it, perhaps as a teen they’ll start to question their identity but until they have the maturity to understand their own feelings then the parents role is not to make any decisions for them

Ps virtually all the girls who were similar to DD, and we know quite a few as she plays football which seems to attract lots of like minded girls, have moved on from their “boy phase” as they’ve reached puberty.

I find it very disturbing when adults entertain this nonsense. Children cannot understand the social construct of gender at such a young age.
I find it horrifying that there are professionals who are encouraging this.

The crazy thing about those toddler packing products is that they don’t even look like a small boy’s penis, not any that I have seen as the parent of a six year old boy at least. They are just mini versions of mature adult penises which is even creepier. Not to get too graphic and this might only apply to non-circumcised boys, but a kid penis is narrow and straight, it doesn’t have the shape of that prosthetic at all.

Such lunacy.

Anyway: update on 3 year old - currently singing along to her new favourite musician of the moment, Johnny Cash and ‘The Ring of Fire’ I guess she is trans-genre now, gone a little bit country... I’ll need to get her a cowboy hat and boots to respect her newfound persona.

From the age of 3 DD was insistent she was a boy. She wanted, and had, short hair, she only wore football kits, her friends were only boys, she played with “boys@ toys and had no interest whatsoever in anything girl related. Last summer when she was 11, she wore boys swimming trunks and a rash vest on holiday, she didn’t own a skirt and I’d had to have conversations with her new secondary school about how I was concerned about her fitting in and asking for support.

Fast forward a year and her hair is now bob length and she wants to know when it will be shoulder length, she has lots of girl friends who love her for being her. We just came back from holiday where she wore pretty bikinis and she has a big PINK (the shop) obsession. She still has great friends who are boys and is a fortnite champion but she’s comfortable as a girl.

We could so easily have gone down the trans route but she just supported her and let her grow into who she truly wants to be and it’s looks like she’s an independent strong minded girl

If this was any other condition then it would be seen as a case of Munchausens/Munchausens by proxy.
Which makes it more worrying that TRAs are pushing the claim that trans is not a medical condition.

Tiger

That video is disturbing. A necessary watch

Maybe you could suggest your friend see her HV or GP about the tantrums?

The baby girl who pulled hair clips out - that was evidence she was really a boy

Jazz Jennings mother decided he was really a girl at 18 months because, wait for it... Jazz used to undo the poppers on the bottom of their sleepsuit to pretend they were wearing a dress. I read this on Jazz's own blog.
Ok, I'm sure there were other 'signs' as well, but what kind of batshit parent looks at an 18 month old undoing poppers and thinks it means they're really secretly a girl?
Another parent decided his daughter was really a boy because she liked taking a leadership role in games. Literally anything can be interpreted to indicate that a child is really trans, it would seem.

Someone up thread mentioned that 2 hour tantrums aren't normal even for a three year old. The only one of my children who had two hour (and more) toddler tantrums was the one who turned out to be autistic.

I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it, but I came across a post somewhere that suggested that the coincidence of ASD and wishing to wear the clothes of the opposite sex in very young children is about sensory issues. That is to say, a girl might choose the less decorated or seamed, unrestricting, soft clothes of a boy; a boy might choose more figure-hugging girl clothes for the swaddled-like feeling, or appreciate strokable satiny fabric you find in dressing up clothes. Struck me as interesting, not least because my own girls regularly rejected "fussy" clothes at that age (cheers for those, grandma) and I loathed anything with seams and labels myself - I still cut most of the labels out even now.

If a parent only sees a child reaching for "opposite sex" clothes without thinking any deeper, and is blinded by wokeness or incipient Munchausen's, I can see where you'd get the "actually wants to be the opposite sex" from.