Caroline Lucas on Aimee Challoner in the Guardian

Ignoring the minor detail that self id is very different in different countries and the numerous reports from eg chains of shops about abuse of self id it doesn't help that anyone wanting to do evidence based research can't get a grant if it risks getting the "wrong" answers.
Exactly. Offenses will be minimized for fear of "transphobia," recorded as "female crimes." Some countries still seem to have some kind of common sense when it comes to prisons. Canada is a disaster with these waxing salon cases...
The conversation should be over the second a violent rapist is transferred to a woman's jail, or some asshat tweets about jerking off in the women's room to own the TERFs.
Even rates of criminality in trans women aren't being "debunked." The only study I've seen on the subject is that trans women retain male patterns of offending (and that was in a group of transsexuals who went through the whole rigamarole including surgery - not looking at "non-binary femmes" whose transition is basically lipstick and a sparkly top).

On the subject of the Greens -
I suspect whoever knew (someone must have, given the Coventry Pride Statement) thought that the court would rule in favour of DC, so it would go away quietly. They bought the rapist/torturer's side of the story.

'I’ve not seen any evidence that self-declaration has been routinely abused to gain illegitimate access to women-only spaces in any of the countries where self-declaration already exists.'

No one is arguing it is routinely abused. However abuses do occur. But if it isn't routine and only a few people are abused, what's the problem eh? Shocking.

I’ve not seen any evidence that self-declaration has been routinely abused to gain illegitimate access to women-only spaces in any of the countries where self-declaration already exists.

Yes Nelson had that problem seeing ships.

Ignoring the minor detail that self id is very different in different countries and the numerous reports from eg chains of shops about abuse of self id it doesn't help that anyone wanting to do evidence based research can't get a grant if it risks getting the "wrong" answers.

Tosh

Caroline also says she has no evidence of women being in danger as a result of these changes - there's plenty collected, someone might have a link, it would be good to present that.

www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group

Aimee is a trans equality campaigner from Coventry. She came out in 2014 aged 16 as she left school. She speaks openly about her experiences as a young transgender woman. She’s previously had articles in the Guardian and the Huffington Post, as well as other websites from around the world. She’s also a Trustee of Coventry Pride

Tosh

You could ask Caroline about Aimee being a trustee of Coventry Pride who have issued this statement regarding David Challenor.

www.coventrypride.org.uk/2018/08/28/a-statement-from-the-trustees-of-coventry-pride/

The Trustees were made aware of criminal proceedings being taken against Mr Challenor in November 2016.

As a result David Challenor was no longer allowed to volunteer and was to be monitored if he attended any events.

Why then wasn't the Green Party alerted about this? It's clear, in my estimation, that Aimee Challenor, by omission of these facts, has brought the Green Party into disrepute because they continued to use their father to help with elections.

This has finally tipped me over the edge too, I have been a member for nearly 30 years but I think I'm done.

She is a cowardly, cynical, morally bankrupt human being

Just a normal Member of Parliament then, Morris.

I have finally pulled my GP membership today

Because it’s not been widely reported and she said as little as she could about DC. She didn’t want to address him she wanted to defend their support of AC. I’m really not sure why, I wonder if they are calculating that AC will get support so sticking with her may minimise flack on the DC failure. They seem to be simultaneously scapegoating her and defending her.

Oh Caroline, I had defended you up to now, but I can't do it anymore.

Why didn't she mention the animal abuse charges btw? Isn't that a key principle of the Green Party's ethics?

So sick of this :(

It's really evil for your first public comment to focus on transgenderism rather than the victim and safeguarding.

A non-trans person in Aimee's position and doing what they did would have been got rid of like a shot and be a complete pariah. And rightly so.

If it were me I would ask her straight out whether she is still sticking by the GP statement that they didn’t know about the charges against David Challenor until he was convicted. And I would record her answer.

But other people may have more diplomatic suggestions

Right. Caroline Lucas is my MP. I have a meeting booked with her in a few weeks time.

Can you lot suggest what to prioritise? What paperwork to leave with her?

Where to f#cking start tbh.

I only have a short time with her so need to get this as succinct and powerful as possible. I appreciate that some of you may need a bit if a lie down after that crappy article, so whenever you are ready, I'm all ears.

Agree Floisme

I think the question of when the Green Party found out about the charges against David Challenor is much more serious than what Aimee knew.

As a prior occasional Green voter, I actually feel embarrassed for her, writing that. I’m ashamed of her.
Can these older politicians not see the monsters they create when they allow people under them to get away with really dreadful stuff and not face any consequences ?

Has she lost her MIND ? What a terrible, ridiculous and misjudged article. She clearly thinks the electorate are dim.
There is no way that if AC was an actual woman she would be still a party member, or have been given so much power to start with. Just like another person for whom being trans is the only thing keeping them in any sort of limelight. Gamma males becoming Alpha females in an instant. Thick, bereft of charisma, unable to have any grasp on political debate or critical thinking, yet somehow “Rising stars” . How does this happen ? Is it pity ?

Sorry for the long copy and paste but I read this:

While we can all agree that what her father did was monstrous, the transphobia unleashed against her on social media is absolutely unacceptable. So too is the aggressive and regressive vilification of those wanting to discuss trans issues. There have been bomb threats and bots systematically blocking women on social media to try to silence those who are asking whether trans rights put women’s rights at risk. If we want a more equal society we need to talk about how to get there. The positive response to high-profile celebrities like Caitlyn Jenner has done little to change the fact that trans people experience high rates of suicide, poverty and persecution.

And thought people have been sending bomb threats and bot blocking trans people? Blimey

I spend loads of time here with you lot. What chance has the casual reader got of working out what's going on?

really because she jumped in when someone suggested that Aimee was involved in the investigation to robustly deny that was the case and that a full and scrupulously fair investigation would take place

Not seen much signs of that happening...

Caroline Lucas was one of the MPs who signed the early day motion demanding all of the Maria Miller trans report's recommendations were implemented.

That would have included the removal of sex exemptions in the EA.

Fellow MPs who signed it include Stephen Doughty and Wes Streeting

www.parliament.uk/edm/2017-19/355

It's strange, really because she jumped in when someone suggested that Aimee was involved in the investigation to robustly deny that was the case and that a full and scrupulously fair investigation would take place.

This article seems to contradict that.

Another person crossed off my "I thought they were decent" list

Lucas and Bartley are the co-leaders.

There are elections for new leaders - and the voting closes today.

Bartley is standing with Sian Berry to be the new co-leaders. Lucas is going to concentrate on Parliamentary duties.

I'm probably being thick, but isn't Lucas co-leader of the party? Why is she the one dealing with all of this on her own?

Jonathan Bartley. Judging by his Twitter feed he's over the moon that the baking program is doing a vegan week.

Got his priorities right that one.