Jeremy Corbyn Facing Backlash Re. Self Id

That's a great idea. Thanks.

Lily M thinks that Amy Brookes is wrong, so I wrote to Amy this afternoon thanking her for doing this and what it means to me that she us speaking up for women.

I'm not a resident local to Rotherham so I also copied in my local labour candidate. I explained that I'm unable to vote Labour in the current circumstances.

Got a reply back soon after, thanking me for the support.

Amy is easily contactable - would it be worth more of us expressing support?

Ahhhh, thanks Toe. That wouls explain LM's change of twitter bio to being the first (take note: Peto) Women's Officer

I personally don't think transwomen should be taking any places in politics that have been specifically set aside for women, such as AWS, as women are still so underrepresented. I have no problem with transwomen in politics per se, obviously, but I don't believe transwomen are women, and I don't think women should be pushed aside.

Zutt - personally I think two is already problematic and now is definitely the time for action (what with conference season and the end of the GRA consultation just around the corner).

My main reason for pointing out that we’re currently at 2/650 is that anyone attempting to contact their local Labour WO who isn’t in those 2 CLP’s will be attempting to contact a biological woman (one is is hopefully, well aware of the issues women face politically).

We are not yet past the point of no return!

For the record, I absolutely believe transpeople have the right to political representation, and I would support any motions/campaigns that formalised that within the party (ie, having seperate trans officers at CLP level rather than being lumped in with LGB officers, after all, the issues are not the same) I just don’t think that the political issues that affect women-as-an-oppressed-class are the same ones that Transwomen face. In addition, adding TW to women-only shortlists does nothing for trans representation in parliament overall (because transmen and non-binary people are excluded).

This. Exactly this.

two TW out of 650

When does it become a problem, 10/650, 100, 300, 500?

And what do we do when it gets to a problem?

Sorry - that’s new info for me! Still, there should be as many WO as there are constituencies, so we’re looking at two TW out of 650. Each branch can theoretically have a WO but it’s likely only the biggest branches do (plus a few smaller branches with particularly committed WR’s activists living in them. Might see if I can make the position exist at our next AGM).

(These positions are elected btw, but unpaid, and the elections are decided purely on how many members turn up for the vote. Women, of course, find it harder to attend political meetings because they usually happen on weekday evenings and women are statistically more likely to be child wrangling or caring for elderly relatives in their ‘free’ time).

Lily M’s position will be voted on again at the next AGM for LM’s CLP, perhaps even sooner, depending on whether LM decides to make LM’s new student residence LM’s main address or not.

For the record, I absolutely believe transpeople have the right to political representation, and I would support any motions/campaigns that formalised that within the party (ie, having seperate trans officers at CLP level rather than being lumped in with LGB officers, after all, the issues are not the same) I just don’t think that the political issues that affect women-as-an-oppressed-class are the same ones that Transwomen face. In addition, adding TW to women-only shortlists does nothing for trans representation in parliament overall (because transmen and non-binary people are excluded).

My bad.

Peto is Women's Officer - recently voted in.

Peto is trans officer I thought
Good Post cat

Mind you, I still have money on LM being a kind of bomb that goes off and takes half of Labour with her long, long before the next GE.

I wouldn't bet against you!

Worth pointing out that as of the time of writing, Lily M is the only trans Woman’s Officer in Labour, and every CLP has a WO

Not Peto too?

'Politics' not 'police'.

I always think of Owen Jones on this. According to him, he had 'heard', 'on good authority', that those with executive power in Labour had listened to the objections to non-men' shortlist's, concluded the objections were coming from horrific, bigoted people (that's us told) and decided to push ahead with all speed.

As a kind of 'Fuck You!' to the objectors.

Who were mainly women.

Like us.

And women Labour members at that.

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I think Labour, or rather, the faction around Corbyn, are in hock to an ABC1 Membership, who are unable to deal with serious Class, Race and Feminist politics because their privilege causes them unease. They thus have moved onto the terrain of identity police, particularly around solidarity with a supposedly emergent sexual identity politics.

I don't hold my breath.

I'll write to my MP, and to the women attending the women's conference BUT I don't think Labour has the political subtlety to move away from this.

The Conservatives are moving - ironic, since legal self-identity, never mind self-identifying women's shortlist's, was their baby - but I think Labour is going to be left holding the bomb.

It's going to cost them.

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Mind you, I still have money on LM being a kind of bomb that goes off and takes half of Labour with her long, long before the next GE.

I guess they're too busy implicated in the madness themselves.

Hopefully no party will seek to gain political advantage when the wider picture becomes clearer.

If politicians could act together with this so much the better.

Really pleased that Amy has courageously done this. When I resigned from the Labour Party, I agonised over whether to stay on and fight, but in the end I didn't feel it I had the strength, and felt too disillusioned with the party, having seen the level of old fashioned sexism that abounds, and having experienced the witch hunts of the past.

I will be watching this battle for the soul of the party (part 112) with interest. I'm just afraid they're going to make complete twats of themselves and give the Tories an early Christmas present. It's been a surprise to me that the Tories haven't capitalised more on this, but I guess they're too busy implicated in the madness themselves.

Questioning male people is controversial?

Hasn't it always been, Zutt? It seems whenever women question anything, they are slapped down as hysterical or angry or 'phobic' in some manner. It is utterly depressing.

"The conference is in Liverpool isn't it? That will help with numbers of non-metropolitian straight talkers attending."

Seriously?!

Brilliant - thanks Betty. I'll do some research and get writing.

Worth pointing out that as of the time of writing, Lily M is the only trans Woman’s Officer in Labour, and every CLP has a WO and some branches have one too. All the others are ‘Women Classic’ (as Bill Maher recently described us 😂)

A huge number of those Labour WO have a long and active history in fighting for women’s rights (and dealing with lefty woke bros) so while it’s understandable to feel hopeless at times, there are a lot of women working away under the radar (without the press attention that Neowomen get for being braveandstunning etc).

This and the news about the emergency motion at the WEP AND Tory equalities minister expressing concern re: trans children and lack of critical questioning earlier this week means we’re only waiting for the Lib Dems to realise that ‘no debate’ is officially dead in the water.

Go labour women...you must get this to conference.

Lily Madigan is Women's Officer and wants men in women's and girl's spaces. Do your job Madigan and start looking out for women, you useless peabrain!

"It's the Left's own Gamergate"

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I agree

Absinthe

Not sure if that info would be available to non-party members, due to privacy issues.

What you could do, is email your local Labour councillors, either individually or as a group (or cc them into your emails to your MP) and ask that your comments be passed on to your constituency and branch women’s officers (branches are based on council voting wards) and others attending women’s conference. You could ask that they pass on your contact details and request that the women’s officers contact you? They won’t be able to pass on any contact details without express permission.

I would start with women Labour councillors in your own ward (if you have any) and then fan out to other women Labour councillors and then male councillors in your own ward (and might not bother with male councillors from other wards).